Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates

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Removing featured lists in Wikipedia

This page is for the review and improvement of featured lists that may no longer meet the featured list criteria. FLs should be kept at current standards, regardless of when they were promoted. Any objections raised in the review must be actionable.

The FLC director, Giants2008, or his delegates, PresN and The Rambling Man, determine the exact timing of the process for each nomination. Nominations will last at least 14 days, and longer where changes are ongoing and it seems useful to continue the process. For a nomination to be kept, consensus must be reached that it still meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the delegates determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list, archived and added to Former featured lists if, in the judgment of the director who considers a nomination and its reviews:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved; or
  • consensus to delist has been reached; or
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met.

Nominations may be closed earlier than the allotted two weeks if, in the judgment of the FLRC delegate, the list in the nomination:

  • has a clear consensus to merge or redirect to another article or list. This consensus may be shown in Articles for deletion, a discussion on the article's talk page, a discussion on the relevant WikiProject(s), or other community venues that present a tangible consensus to merge or redirect the article; or
  • contains a clear copyright violation and removal of the copyrighted material would severely degrade the quality of the list.

Do not nominate lists that have recently been promoted (such complaints should have been brought up during the candidacy period as featured list candidates) or lists that have recently survived a removal attempt – such nominations are likely to be removed summarily.

A bot will update the list talk page after the list has been kept or the nomination has been archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FLRC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates {{ArticleHistory}}. If a nomination is delisted, editors should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating at Featured list candidates.

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Nomination procedure

  • Place {{subst:FLRC}} on the talk page of the nominated list.
  • From the FLRC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FLRC talk page for assistance.
  • Below the preloaded title, write your reason for nominating the list, sign with ~~~~ and save the page. Please note which of the featured list criteria that the list fails to meet.
  • Place {{Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} at the top of the list of nominees on this page by first copying the above, clicking "edit" on the top of the page, and then pasting, making sure to add the name of the nominated article.
  • Notify relevant parties by adding {{subst:FLRCMessage|ArticleName|archive=# of archive page}} (for example, {{subst:FLRCMessage|List of Presidents of the United States|archive=1}}) to relevant talk pages (insert article name). Relevant parties include main contributors to the article (identifiable through article stats script), the editor who originally nominated the article for Featured List status (identifiable through the Featured List Candidate link in the Article Milestones), and any relevant WikiProjects (identifiable through the talk page banners, but there may be other Projects that should be notified). Leave a message at the top of the FLRC indicating whom you have notified and that notifications have been completed.

Nominations for removal[edit]

List of Carnivàle episodes[edit]

Notified: sgeureka, WP TV

This 2007 promotion is not anywhere close to the standards that would be expected today. The location notes material is riddled with original research, and there may be other issues with problematic content, as well (I've never seen the show). Hog Farm Talk 05:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Another issue is that under the current criteria of MOS:TV, this likely should not be a standalone list, and should likely be merged back to the base TV series article. So I support delisting it. --IJBall (contribstalk) 14:09, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[]
In that case, maybe a merge discussion would be more appropriate. I think the list is salvageable with a few tweaks (mainly removing the location notes and trimming some of the summaries), but it probably isn't long enough to justify its own list. For what it's worth, List of awards and nominations received by Carnivàle (also an FL) might also be worthy of a merge, maybe even more than the episode list. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:07, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[]

List of tallest buildings in Washington, D.C.[edit]

Notified: Remember, Epicadam

I am nominating this for featured list removal because it no longer meets the third Featured list criterion: comprehensiveness. It has a banner saying that the page has needed to be updated since 2014. Xx78900 (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

  • Delist – This list has promoted back in 2008, and not has been reviewed since. The "updated" tag since 2014 is probably still valid. The table needs caption, and other accessibility parameters including colspan/rowspan. The "notes" column looks too wide. We could separate a column for just citations, which needs to be centered. The table doesn't sort well. Titles starting with "The" should sort based on the next word in the title. Various references are not formatted properly, with many being just bare links. I agree that the list needs significant changes to meet the present FL criteria, but I see a potential on this topic. If anyone interested wants to take it up, I'll be happy to provide detailed comments. Until then, I'll support it to be delisted. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Delist - Plenty of issues. "The heights of buildings listed here...", "This lists ranks..." is outdated terminology not used in featured lists. Very outdated sentences "as of July 2008". Images missing alt-text for accessibility. Non-buildings included (including a bunch of radio towers?). Just very out of date and in need of a thorough update. Very far from featured list. Mattximus (talk) 20:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

1984 Summer Olympics medal table[edit]

Notified: Miyagawa, Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics and Wikipedia:WikiProject California

I am nominating this for featured list removal for a few glaring, but probably easily addressable, issues:

  • Complete lack of information on the fact that Russia and other countries boycotted these Olympics, which is the primary reason that the USA and other countries were so successful. The boycott's impact on the medal table is a crucial detail that should have its own section.
  • There is almost no discussion about medal records, outside of the USA. Other countries set records, especially due to the boycott.
  • More recent versions of this type of list (2016 Summer Olympics medal table) identify "Changes in medal standings" as a section. This should be explored in this article as well.
  • More recent versions of this type of list (2020 Summer Olympics medal table) provides maps showing medal distribution across the globe. These would be very helpful here.
  • References need to be beefed up.
  • The lead is quite lite, especially in comparison to current FLC standards. More should be added, especially after the details above are added. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Given that the 1984 Summer Olympics are my favorite edition of the Olympics and I've recently helped promote the 2012 Summer Olympics (which are my second favorite Olympics) to featured list status, I can help save this list from demotion. However, I do not know how to make a map for the medal distribution. Therefore, I will need help on that front. Nevertheless, I'll try since I don't plan on promoting a new FLC until December.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 06:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello! I was told to visit this page and provide my rationale for keeping an updated version of the article. So, there we go:
1) Current version mentions Soviet boycott but instead of simply saying that the USSR did not participate, it presents Soviet government's stated reasons for boycott (that are universally questioned) as fact. As 1984 Summer Olympics boycott states, there're many versions, and the most probable of them is retaliation for the 1980 boycott. Other suggested stricter doping controls etc.
2) Current version fails to mention the record nature of USA’s performance, namely their 83 gold medals. 1980 Summer Olympics medal table notably mentions Soviet records.
3) The current version erroneously credits West Germany with 59 gold medals instead of 59 total medals
4) Current version fails to note the record-breaking nature of Romania's performance, namely their second-best total of 20 gold medals.
An updated version fixes all that. Sorry for using that stupid dynamic IP, I know that creating an account makes your edits more trustworthy.109.197.205.158 (talk) 17:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Given that I am attending a funeral today, I won't be able to work on this until at least Monday.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:53, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Summary of changes[edit]

This section will enumerate the changes that have so far been done to the list. I will update this as I complete a major task.

  • Added new table to "Changes in medal standings" which is modeled after the 2012 Summer Olympics medal table. It includes summary of the redistribution of medals, which athletes were affected, and a brief explanation of what happened in each case. Furthermore, another table was added to show how the medals re-allocations affected the medal tally.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 08:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Replaced all the images with the new ones because most of the old ones were derived from sources whose links give me an error message. Thus the old images would most likely not follow fair use rules
--Birdienest81 (talk) 09:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
  • UPDATE: I'm currently making changes to this list on User:Birdienest81/sandbox twenty-three. I'm currently working on the paragraph explaining ties by adding more sources since the original one is too highly dependent on one source. So, I am adding a few more newspaper resources. I should be able to get a little bit more done since my FLC for the 1984 Oscars is winding down, and I don't plan to do another FLC until at least early October.
--Birdienest81talk 08:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[]
It's definitely looking better. Please ping me when you feel like everything has been addressed and I will give it another thorough review. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[]
  • UPDATE: I've transferred a better quality version of this list from the sandbox I was using to edit the article. I've added more citations, and rearranged sentences for better flow. I've added a sentence and two sources regarding the boycott and it's impact. My biggest problem is doing a map of the medals because I cannot download the software to make the map since the computer I am using is not my own and I need an administrator to download it. If someone is willing to make a map for me, that would be great. By the way, I've highly modeled this list similar to the 2012 Summer Olympics medal table, which is the most recent Olympics medal table to be promoted to featured list status. I may not be able to do more editing until at least after September 23.
--Birdienest81talk 08:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Comments[edit]

Thanks for your changes Birdienest81. This is looking much better. I went through and performed a copyedit, rescued some links and added a photo. Just a few more comments I see:

  • Fixed: Added alt text to Kōji Gushiken's photo and slightly modified the alt for the LA Coliseum photo.
  • You usually don't need references in photo captions so long as the article is sourced and supports the statements in the caption
  • The only reason why there are references in many of the captions because according to ChrisTheDude, there should be references to any content in the captions that is not explicitly covered within the body of article (i.e. each individual gold medal accomplishments).
  • I would drop the last three links in the External Links section. The first link is really the only legitimate "External Link".
  • Fixed:Removed the last three links.

Thanks « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Gonzo fan2007: - I've addressed your three comments from up above.
--Birdienest81talk 07:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Birdienest81, I have no additional comments. Nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Quick comments

  • Medal table: "Four silvers medals (and no bronze) were awarded men's vault gymnastics competition." Should be "silver" with "in the" before "men's vault".
  • Note a: "The Soviet Union then broke that record in 1980, where it won 80 gold medals." "where" → "when" because the year is not a place. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:24, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Giants2008: - I've addressed both issue listed above and made the necessary corrections.
--Birdienest81talk 08:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Comment

It looks like most of the issues have been cleared up, except for the first one: that the list does not mention the Soviet boycott. I understand from reading above that the reason behind the boycott is less straightforward than one might expect, and we have a whole article about it, but I'd still expect this list to have a sentence or two that the boycott existed and which countries did not participate as a result. --PresN 14:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[]

PresN, it looks like an IP removed the part that had been added about the boycott [1]. I agree and would withhold my support of closing this WP:FLRC until the boycott is explained in this article. The reasons that it occurred can be debated, its impact can be generalized, but it needs to be mentioned. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Gonzo fan2007: I restored the statement regarding the Soviet-led boycott and its effect on the medal count. Some IP removed it because they felt that the statement did not support the claim that the boycott heavily favored the US. Well, clearly the USA was the primary beneficiary of the boycott. I agree that Romania also got some advatage, but US remained the primary party to gain from the boycott.
--Birdienest81talk 08:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Honestly, at this point it is just the bare minimum. I still think there is more to add. You could link List of Olympic Games boycotts and add more context including about the 1980 Summer Olympics boycott. I mean there is a whole article on the 1984 Summer Olympics boycott. This is why I said originally there should be a separate section about the boycott in this article. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]