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January 19[edit]

Search all of Wikipedia[edit]

The box in the upper right says "Search Wikipedia", but it only searches the English Language Wikipedia. Is there a place that I can search all of Wikipedia (all of the language wikipedias at least). I guess I can go to google, but I like having the more advanced features...Naraht (talk) 01:34, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so. The search box at lets you pick any language, but "all" doesn't seem to be an option. RudolfRed (talk) 02:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
You can use Wikidata. Zoozaz1 (talk) 02:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
That is apparently only searching Wikidata, not Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
David Biddulph yup. Tried that already.Naraht (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
The best way to do that is probably Google. Search for "[term]". Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 03:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Sdkb Quite familiar with that, and have used it to search for errors across languages (like "John Hopkins University") which essentially add to focus on the ones outside English. But that definitely doesn't have the ability to do insource: or regex searches.Naraht (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library and ... a block?[edit]

So I received a notice that I can access the super neato sounding Wikipedia Library. When I tried it says I have a block. I've been editing Wikipedia for many, many years and have no idea what that is about. Almost all of my edits are on the English Wikipedia, with some visual content added to WikiCommons. Other than that, iirc, I've made a few edits to the Spanish and German language Wikis. Literally none of them, as far as I can see anywhere, mentions a block of any kind. Ditto my entire talk page on English Wikipedia. I'd love to use this resource for helping with articles, but I don't know what is the cause for the hiccup. Any help would be most gratefully accepted. Thank you. --Surv1v4l1st Talk|Contribs 03:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

You were blocked on the Indonesian Wikipedia for having an unacceptable username (despite having made zero edits there). * Pppery * it has begun... 03:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Surv1v4l1st: Special:CentralAuth/Surv1v4l1st shows a block at (Indonesian Wikipedia) where you have no edits. Your account was created automatically, probably because you viewed a page while logged in. Google Translate says "Invalid username: please change". Google Translate on the linked page says: "Also, watch out for the uppercase i , the lowercase L , and the number 1 , which can look the same (I/l/1) in some fonts . Another example is the letter O and the number 0 (O/o/0) . The use of letters that can be misleading is highly discouraged, given the abuse that has occurred in the past." There is a User:Survivalist but they have no account at idwiki so you cannot be claimed to impersonate them there. It seems very unreasonable to disallow access for you. When originally reading the no-block rule, I did think it would hit some users unfairly. I don't know whether you have other options than to request an unblock at idwiki. They have id:Template:Unblock. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
It is possible for Wikipedia library staff to override the "not blocked" requirement, but I'm not sure what the process for requesting that is. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Choosing English at Special:GlobalPreferences or id:Special:Preferences may help you navigate the site if you request unblocking. You can edit your own talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC) says: "If your account is blocked on one or more Wikimedia projects, you may still be granted access to The Wikipedia Library. You will need to contact the Wikipedia Library team, who will review your blocks." The bottom has a contact link to PrimeHunter (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks for the research on this one. I would have not guessed it was the Indonesian language Wiki. I've never edited there, nor have any knowledge of the language. I will try to figure out how to request an unblock there, but will admit navigating that site may be difficult. I did also email Wikipedia Library, but haven't heard back as of yet. Anyway, thanks again for the assistance; I greatly appreciate it. Now to find the way forward.--Surv1v4l1st Talk|Contribs 04:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, I think (after some futzing about) got the unblock request done on the Indonesian side. As mentioned before, request has been submitted to the Library. Thanks again. :) --Surv1v4l1st Talk|Contribs 04:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Difference from Teahouse[edit]

What is the difference between this and the Teahouse? It seems like the same concept. Philosophy2 (talk) 05:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Philosophy2: not much difference. The Teahouse is meant to be a particularly non-threatening place where brand new people can ask very basic questions without being judged. But in practice, they are pretty much interchangeable.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Philosophy2: The Help Desk is meant for anyone to request assistance or ask a question. The Teahouse is intended for new and/or inexperienced users to do the same, as Gronk Oz suggests, in a friendlier atmosphere geared towards them. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Philosophy2: Generally, the tone at the Tea House is more gentle and forgiving, taking everyone's word that they are naive innocents who need special care and counsel in a quiet, non-judgmental atmosphere intended to nurture and advance the new user. The Help Desk is positioned as a blunter, more skeptical audience of brusque but highly competent tech support types who diagnose your troubles and send you on your way. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I had to look up what "brusque" meant on Wikitionary. I learned a new word today, thank you.Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

RTL punctuation[edit]

At Dona, Dona#Lyrics, the punctuation of the Yiddish original appears before each line, at least on my computer using Google Chrome. Does that look the same for others? If so, how can it be fixed? ◅ Sebastian 09:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sebastian. You can just edit it to move the punctuation: I've done so for the first verse. --ColinFine (talk) 12:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Search icon[edit]

Im having problems based on the search icon or button, i can't search whats in my interest or even type what i need to search what could be the reaaon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:2880:31FF:5:0:0:FACE:B00C (talk) 11:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Since as far as I know nobody else has reported this problem, it is probably in your browser. The best place to ask about technical problems is WP:VPT; but it is unlikely that anybody can help you if you don't specify the problem more: what system are you on? What app or browser are you running? What are you doing or trying to do, and what result do you see? --ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! Do you still experience the problem after you turn off your device and turn it back on again? GoingBatty (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Edits to your entry on Patrick Poivre d'Arvor[edit]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I write to ask for you to edit the entry on Patrick Poivre d'Arvor: You ought to include a major sexual assault controversy, in his page.

(You have already done so for example on the page of Nicolas Hulot, similarly embroiled in a sexual assault controversy with numerous accusations - and I thank you for that.)

Patrick Poivre d'Arvor is the target of complaints for rape and sexual assault or sexual harassment. In total, 27 women have denounced sexual violence by the former presenter of TF1. Two of these women were minors at the time of the alleged facts. Eleven have filed complaints.

Best regards,

Etelle Higonnet

Hullo, friend. You may be able to attempt this edit yourself, as long as you can back it up with reliable sources. You can also submit an edit request here if you would like. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 15:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
EDG 543 you are correct that the IP editor could, in theory, introduce this content for themselves, but I think a bit more needs to be said. IP editor, you should be very careful to ensure that what you write complies with the policy on biographies of living people. You must not write potentially controversial material about an identifiable living person anywhere on Wikipedia without providing a reliable source to back up your assertions. I considered deleting this thread, and revision deleting a whole bunch of diffs here, because these accusations were unevidenced in your post. However, I took a moment to see whether I could find any reliable sources supporting what you had written, and came across this, this and this. So, there are reliable sources that could support some additions to the article - just be sure to cite them, and to stick carefully to what they say. Girth Summit (blether) 21:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
That was indeed top news for a time in France. The fr-wikipedia article section about this (fr:Patrick_Poivre_d'Arvor#Visé_par_plusieurs_enquêtes_pour_viols_et_agressions_sexuelles) is roughly as long as the entire en-wikipedia article is, and there is a line in the lead. If the IP editor does not change this themselves, ping me and I will try to write a couple of sentences. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:11, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Error in Talk:Galton Board?[edit]

Is there something wrong with Talk:Galton Board?

If I view it in the Wikipedia App (on my Galaxy Tablet), there are 11 headings, but "Three dimensional bean machine", "Why a rectangle of pegs?" and "Probabilities of 1000 runs of the machine" show the same contents as "But how does it work?"

But if I choose "View article in browser" and then change to the Talk page, those three headings don't appear at all ... BUT two of them appear under the "Bean machine, bean made wrong?" heading, under an "Extended content" banner - some sort of formatting error? (talk) 16:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

In desktop view it looks fine. The app and mobile browser may be getting confused by {{Collapse top}} hidden content. RudolfRed (talk) 18:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

To wall of shame, or to not wall of shame[edit]

(Apologies for the shakespeare reference in the header, I Couldn't help myself) Hello! So I recently encountered an IP who is currently block for disruptive editing and the IP removed their most recent warning and block message. I know this is technically ok per WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME, however the IP is also blocked. So what should I do in this case? Revert the edit and request their tpa revoked, or just leave it? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Leave it. They are allowed to remove it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Alright sounds good. Wasn't sure if it would still apply if they were blocked. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Per WP:BLANKING they are allowed to remove the block notice; what they are not allowed to remove is any declined unblock request relating to the current block. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Removing redirects from a category[edit]

I want to remove the entries "Would you like a Jelly Baby?" and "You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me..." from the category "1970s neologisms", since they are technically catchphrases and not neologisms, but there does not seem to be a way to that since the pages they redirect to are not listed under that category. Kotterdale99 (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

So, maybe there's a better way to do this, but here's the cheap trick I use to edit a redirect: Taking your first example, type it in to the search bar. You'll be redirected to the page on the fourth Doctor, but at the top of the page it will say "(Redirected from Would you like a Jelly Baby?)", and there will be a link in there that will take you to the redirect itself and allow you to edit it in the normal fashion. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I thought there was a better way also, Beeblebrox, but according to WP:EDRED this is the official way! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

January 20[edit]

Creating a page[edit]

Hello, I am looking for someone who is experienced in creating pages to create one for "Jessie Bee," a person I know. I don't know much about Wikipedia, so I would create it myself but I don't know how. I also don't know how to ask people to create a page so I am writing this in hope that someone helps me. Thank you, Aaronairout — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronairout (talkcontribs) 00:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, there's Wikipedia:Requested articles, but I wouldn't count on that actually resulting in an article being written. Tips on doing it yourself can be found at Help:Your first article. The standard advice is that if the person is truly notable someone will write an article on them eventually. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! Since you know Jessie Bee, please also read the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Aaronairout Has anyone written anything about Jessie Bee before? A quick google search turns up a YouTube channel, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc. It looks like she considers herself an influencer/content creator, however, I can't find anywhere where any reliable source has independently written about her (that doesn't mean such sources don't exist, just that I didn't find them in the 5 or so minutes I was willing to spend googling her right now). The gist of all our "notability" guidelines is that a topic is notable if it has "received significant coverage in multiple published[1] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[2] and independent of the subject.[3]" If such sources exist in substantial numbers, then an article could be written here for her. If such sources do not exist, do not attempt to write an article, do not attempt to pay someone else to write an article, down that road lies only heartbreak. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


  1. ^ What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.
  2. ^ Sources that are pure derivatives of an original source can be used as references, but do not contribute toward establishing the notability of a subject. "Intellectual independence" requires not only that the content of sources be non-identical, but also that the entirety of content in a published work not be derived from (or based in) another work (partial derivations are acceptable). For example, a speech by a politician about a particular person contributes toward establishing the notability of that person, but multiple reproductions of the transcript of that speech by different news outlets do not. A biography written about a person contributes toward establishing their notability, but a summary of that biography lacking an original intellectual contribution does not.
  3. ^ Autobiography and self-promotion are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the subject notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. Thus, entries in biographical dictionaries that accept self-nominations (such as the Marquis Who's Who) do not contribute toward notability, nor do web pages about an organization's own staff or members.

33 images added as war propaganda[edit]

I'm not sure where to go with this spaghetti mess. I did the research, have the evidence and conclusions, but don't know how to get these deleted.

While trying to research 33 images that were added by two users, two edits, into a single article — Mekelle, an Ethiopian town (see the gallery of 33) — I realized that these images were not of the town. These images had been uploaded by four Wikimedia users, each with similar usernames, naming the files in the same pattern as each other. I think the 4 Wikimedia accounts and the 2 Wikipedia accounts were being operated by the same person. However, they are old enough (2020) to be too stale for a checkuser, and these are the only edits these users made.

The filenames do not match the subject of the images, and the first users (1 uploading 11 files, and 1 who added them to the article) wouldn't clarify the content/caption of the images, though they were asked back then, in July 2020. Three other Wikimedia accounts uploaded 22 more similarly-named images over a two-day period in November 2020, [1] [2] [3] and a second Wikipedia account added them 5 hours later to the Mekelle article.

I have identified most of the 33 images and removed the entire gallery from the article. Very few of the images are from the town of Mekelle (they come from all over Ethiopia). Many are vintage photographs taken by the Italians documenting their WWII occupation using their own photography agency, some are more current tourist agency photos, and some are just undescribed though many of them appear in Facebook and other places online. Most have no attribution, or false attribution. For example, some of the WWII images were uploaded saying their photography date was 1956 and they were published in Ethiopia, when in fact the photos were taken in 1935 & 1936 and published in Italy. The copyright rules in those two countries are different.

A few have 'sources' which are wrong; listing 5 sources for each of several images — 1 is a medical center (completely irrelevant), 3 lead to a professor in Japan who did research on Ethiopian architecture, and 1 to a 2018 book which I have no access to. I contacted the professor and though they recognized some of the vintage images and the subjects of some of the newer images, they said they weren't theirs and didn't use these in their works. In other words, the source given by the Wikimedia user is false.

At least one of these images has already been taken from Commons and published online while thinking [wrongly] that its [false] filename represented a town called "Woyane" (it does not). This article uses the phrase "The image above is the historic center of Woyane, the town where Tigrayan peasants rebelled against their oppression under the Shoan elite in 1943," which is untrue. The image (Commons:File:ታሪካዊ መህል ወያነ ፮ ሽድሽተ Historic Center of Woyane.jpg) is of Gunda Gunde Monastery in a remote hard-to-reach mountain location, and there is no town named "Woyane". "Woyane" is used for pro-Tigray advocacy, and several of the images have a pro-Tigray "battle cry" written into them, including the one I just linked to right above. The uploading account lists the date as "4 November 2020", which is the start date of the Tigray War, and was uploaded a mere 6 days after the start of the war.

In other words, the user used these uploads as war propaganda for their viewpoints related to a current ongoing military conflict!

I recently removed all 33 images from the Mekelle article and I recommend all 33 images be deleted. They appear in Commons and as a File in Wikipedia. I have spent 3 or 4 days identifying these photos, researching and documenting how they were uploaded/added, and the above is but a short summary of my findings/notes (tip of iceberg). I have no idea how to go about cleaning up this mess. I am familiar with WP:AFD (including bundled) and WP:SPI processes, but this is a lot more complicated than just that (and AFD doesn't apply to images or Commons). I've never before gotten involved in WP:IFD or anything related to images. The complexity of this case and the Wikipedia bureaucracy has me stumped on this one. Any ideas how I should proceed? Or is someone willing to communicate with me further about this and take over the "filing" (nomination) process to get this done? Platonk (talk) 06:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Just to add to this, the description of the "Historic Centre of Woyane" file noted above reads

Tegaru protect the TIGRAY your freedom and democracy from Eritrean and Ethiopian dictators from envious thieves and murderers protect the history of your ancestors who built the true history of Ethiopia over the centuries and drive away the who want a new genocide of the Tigrayans and the Tigrayans culture. protect the sacrifices of the Tigrayans martyrs

Very clearly a propaganda message  Velella  Velella Talk   09:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
  • @Platonk: If your problem is about sending the files to deletion, WP:TWINKLE works very similarly between AfD and FfD (you have switched on Twinkle, right?). If your problem is that you think there is more to be digged but do not have the time/energy to do it, I suppose Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard would be a good place to start with a short summary. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
    • @Tigraan: Twinkle doesn't work in Commons, and isn't useful for "bundled" deletion requests in 'Pedia. Platonk (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
  • They will need to be deleted on Commons. Here is Commons' Deletion policy, it'll take you directly to the "how to" part of that page. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
    • @ONUnicorn: I found the correct link (tricky interwikilink). Reading it now. Question: If the batch gets approved in Commons for delete-all, will the closer automatically delete the corresponding files from Wikipedia, too, or will I need to follow up with another bundle to WP:IFD? Platonk (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Whoops! Interwikilinks are indeed tricky. As ColinFine said below, they files are not hosted here, there's some magic that lets images hosted on Commons be used on all Wikimedia projects. If you scroll down on the image description page here you'll see something that says, "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below." Once it's deleted there, it's deleted everywhere unless they uploaded a second copy locally somewhere. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Platonk, the ones I've looked at don't exist in Wikipedia: if you search for them in Wikipedia, you get a local copy of the Commons description page. So there is nothing to delete from Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
@ColinFine: So this is not a separate file, but a temporary 'copy' (like a 'mirror')? File:ታሪካዊ መህል ወያነ ፮ ሽድሽተ Historic Center of Woyane.jpg Platonk (talk) 17:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
No, Platonk, it's not a copy at all. The Wikipedia software does not embed media from anywhere external - except Wikimedia Commons. It can display pictures from there, and if you pick on the picture, or put a "File:" page in the search bar, it will display a Wikipedia page with the details rather than sending you out of Wikipedia into Commons. But none of the information on the image is held in Wikipedia as far as I know, and the image is certainly not copied. --ColinFine (talk) 19:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Well here goes! I spent the day reading "how" to do it and putting together the argument, evidence, etc. I used VisualFileChange.js to submit the mass-deletion request at Commons. Looks like I did the process okay. We'll see how it goes. Platonk (talk) 05:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)


In the main page ( there is new Barilla logo. How to extract from the page? --2001:B07:6442:8903:1D45:E702:F5AE:3FE6 (talk) 11:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, the article Barilla (company) covers the entire Barilla group, and not just the consumer pasta brand "Barilla". Therefore the article uses the Barilla Group logo which can be found also on their website – NJD-DE (talk) 11:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
The IP is apparently on a mission to purge all Wikipedia languages of the company logo, also in articles which showed both the company logo and pasta brand logo.[4] I have reverted them here [5] but not edited other wikis. It isn't even their only pasta logo but one of many at PrimeHunter (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

undo an edit[edit]

I attempted to add a citation to the page "Richard Arbib" I only managed to mess it up. can someone undo my edits dated January 2022 for me. thanks (talk) 16:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done --David Biddulph (talk) 16:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Accessing a deleted article[edit]

Suppose I recall something that interested me in an article that has recently been deleted. Is there a way I can access that article and/or ots history notwithstanding?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christofurio (talkcontribs) 20:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Christofurio: Hi there! Once an article has been deleted, user cannot view the article or its history (but admins can). You might be able to find a Wikipedia mirror site that still has a copy of the article. GoingBatty (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
@Christofurio You can try WP:REFUND. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Christofurio You might also try Deletionpedia.--Shantavira|feed me 09:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Christofurio I seem to remember that there was an off-wiki website that archived deleted Wikipedia articles. Anyone know its name?--Quisqualis (talk) 23:40, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Please stop my automated monthly deductions.[edit]

Please stop my automatic monthly donation. I did not make this selection. I will continue to make donation in the future. But I need to make them at my timing.. (Redacted).

Luther Burton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lutherburton (talkcontribs) 21:43, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Lutherburton We editors have nothing to do with the donation process. Please email donate at Wikimedia dot org with any inquiries about donations. 331dot (talk) 21:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
@Lutherburton: See more at donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

January 21[edit]


Why are articles such as Donald Trump allowed to have over 100kB...even though Wikipedia:Article size states articles over 100,000 characters should, "Almost certainly should be divided." Ak-eater06 (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ak-eater06. As should be obvious, it is much more difficult to gain consensus for major changes at an article like Donald Trump than at less contentious and lower visibility articles. It is easier to gain agreement to add a little bit of well-referenced content than to split off a major block of well-referenced content. The day will come when Trump is no longer a factor in day-to-day politics in the U.S., and maybe a "slimming" of that article will become possible at that time. Cullen328 (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
If you take a look at Special:LongPages, you will see that there are currently 30 articles that are longer than Donald Trump. Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
A huge amount about Donald Trump is already split out to other articles with a summary section in the main article per Wikipedia:Summary style. The guideline about 100 kB is from 2007 when Internet connections were slower and some browsers had technical limitations. Many editors consider it obsolete, or would ignore it if they knew about it. I don't expect Donald Trump to ever go below 100 kB. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
User:PrimeHunter source for the 2007 claim? (not that I doubt you). Ak-eater06 (talk) 06:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Diff. See also Wikipedia talk:Article size#Documentation of the history of WP:SIZERULE. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
User:PrimeHunter Thanks. My next question is why haven't these restrictions been removed (especially with our advanced technology fifteen years later). Ak-eater06 (talk) 07:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
As an aside, I wouldn't say that size ruling is obsolete. We now have a lot of mobile connections. I don't know about you, but loading that article from my phone is a bit of a mission sometimes! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 09:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Not to mention that, aside from any technical limitations that may have inspired the rule, which may or may not be considerations now, there is the fact that the target audience of our articles are humans with limited attention spans. Our articles are not books, they should be able to be read in a single sitting. I think if at article is so long that it would take the average reader more than an hour to read, it's too long. Last time I read through the Donald Trump article, it took just about an hour. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If someone cites a paywall source, does it count as an eligible citation? Or should it be removed?[edit]

Ak-eater06 (talk) 07:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

See WP:PAYWALL. —Wasell(T) 08:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
It's really no different than an offline citation of a book. Just because you can't access it via the internet doesn't invalidate it. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Fair use image to other language Wikipedia[edit]

If a picture is fair-use here, what is the process of using that on other language Wikipedia? Would I need to reupload it on the other Wiki? Or, there is nothing can be done about it? Lightbluerain (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 12:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You would have to manually upload it to another Wiki. Although first, you would need to check that language Wikipedia's rules on fair use content (some language wikis don't allow any non-free images for example), to make sure it could be used there. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. Lightbluerain (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 12:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Name Disputed tag?[edit]

What would be the appropriate template tag for the *name* of the person being disputed. Several IP editors have attempted to change the name of Alpha Kappa Alpha founder Ethel Hedgeman Lyle to Ethyl Hedgemon Lyle over the last week. I'm not sure they are wrong (Alpha Kappa Alpha *itself* has changed the name on their website), but would like to direct them to the talk page rather than having to protect the website. "Disputed" and "Disputed Section" both seem wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talkcontribs) 14:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

At first glance, {{Disputed inline}} would seem appropriate. --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Reticon Company:[edit]

I was a R&D manufacturing engineer with GM for 40 years. I bought Reticon chips for measuring machines. We bought a machine from Diffracto (Canada) that could measure jet engine part diameters to +/- 12 microinches +/- 3 sigma. It was obvious at the time that once the big boys saw what Reticon was doing they would bury them like IBM did all those small microcomputer companies that had better machines. Reticon was a true pioneer in digital camera development. You know what a pioneer is: a guy lying face down in the dirt with arrows in his back. David Monnier Allison Div, GM 1964-2005 (lasers, holography, microcomputers, robotics, PLCs, computer vision, special machines)16:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Why are you posting this here? 331dot (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. We have an article Reticon, and you are welcome to add to it, but only information for which you have a reliable published source: personal recollection and knowledge is regarded as original research, and not acceptable as a source anywhere in Wikipedia.
I wonder if you have looked at that article, and are reacting to the notice at the top that it may not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability and may get deleted. That notice has been there for more than ten years (though now you have drawn people's attention to it, somebody might pay attention to it!) If that is your point, then I'm afraid that no amount of personal recollection, or assertions of the company's importance, is relevant. What is needed to bring that article up to the basic minimal requirements of Wikipedia is several citations to reliable published sources, wholly independent of the company, which cover it in some depth. It is possible that the New York Times article does so (it requires a subscription to look at it); but judging from the title, I suspect that its content is peripheral to an article about Reticon.
If you have such sources (they don't need to be online, but they must not be written or published by Reticon or its associates, or based on press releases from them) then you're welcome to add citation to them - if you're not sure how to cite a source in an article, post on the talk page Talk:Reticon, giving bibliographic information about the sources (like author, date, title, publication, page number). --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Many pages, identical error, need to correct in bulk[edit]

In 2010, 250 pages were generated on Wikipedia relating to dams in India. lines 1 to 252, less a few disambiguation pages, links them. All I have checked so far have transferred cubic volumes from referenced source material to the article incorrectly, changing units of 1000 cubic meters into cubic kilometers. The dams therefore appear in the articles to be larger than they are in fact.

Where on Wikipedia can I connect with a bulk correction team who know how to employ macros across many pages? JohnHarris (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, John. That sounds like the sort of thing one of the bots could do. Please look at WP:Bot requests. --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @ColinFine, I'll move that way. JohnHarris (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Non-english growth team program mentee[edit]

Hello! I've signed up as a mentor for the "Growth Team features" and I noticed that one of my mentees is a non-english user. Their username isn't in English and their only edit so far is also not in English. I'm wondering if there's a way I can unclaim a mentee as I am only able to speak and understand English, so having a mentee that doesn't speak English doesn't work all that well. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The user in question appears to no longer be my mentee. DOn't know if someone else did something or if something I did caused it but thanks. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Move Muscogee (Creek) Nation to Muscogee Nation[edit]

New name since 2021 needs to be renamed to make it simplified and it's the new name for our tribal nation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwv (talkcontribs) 19:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I can't do it myself, as Muscogee Nation is "occupied" (with two edits), so I've initiated a request to move the page; it should show up at WP:Requested moves#January 22, 2022 within half an hour. You will be able to comment there. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Highest grossing tamil movies list[edit]

You people included

1.Bahubali the beginning
2.bahubali the conclusion

In highest grossing tamil movies list these three are not tamil movies they are telugu movies if you people say that it is a pan Indian movie then you should include it in other languages list as well Kindly remove these three movies from tamil movies list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharath Ramasamy (talkcontribs) 21:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

No, Bharath Ramasamy, "we people" didn't. Probably almost all the people reading this help page, like me, have never even looked at that list article before, never mind edited it. If you want to engage with people who do take an interest in that article, the place to make your suggestion is the talk page of that article, Talk:List of highest-grossing Tamil films, or perhaps at WT:WikiProject Film. I note that the articles about the three films you mention all say that they were filmed simultaneously in Tamil and Telugu, and in the case of Saaho, in Hindi as well. If you don't think they belong in the Tamil list, it is up to you to argue the case and persuade other editors to agree with you. The three films are also in List of highest-grossing Telugu films. Saaho is not in the Hindi section of List of highest-grossing Indian films but it appears from the numbers that it does not rank in the top ten of those anyway. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Bharath Ramasamy, there are sources for both Bahubali films in the list that state they are Tamil films. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Usage of Wikipedia text in commercial game[edit]

I would like to have tooltips in a commercial video game that use text from various Wikipedia pages. There is no space for attribution and no ability for hyperlinks. I can include attribution in a dedicated credits page but I still can't include hyperlinks. I would need about 500 unique tooltips. Do I have any options here or is this unreasonable?JohnWik99 (talk) 22:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, JohnWIk99. Thank you for taking the trouble to check how to attribute. It seems to me that a credits page with the URL would be adequate, even if that URL is not a clickable link. WP:Reusing Wikipedia content says To re-distribute a text page in any form, provide credit to the authors either by including a) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages you are re-using, b) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) a list of all authors. --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

January 22[edit]

Changing password or email[edit]

If i change my password or email, will my contributions reset to 0 and all the rights that i have will dissapear? Vitaium (talk) 00:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Vitaium: No, nothing will change. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Vitaium: If you never want to use your account again, you can change your password to something you can't remember. After that, you can start a brand new account, and start building a new contribution history and gaining user rights. OR you can change the user name of your account, if you want to retain your contribution history and rights. To change your user name, see Wikipedia:Changing username.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

How to use wikipedia[edit]

I don't know how to use wikipedia and search some information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:2880:32FF:B:0:0:FACE:B00C (talk) 02:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! To use Wikipedia for find some information, you can use the search bar at the top right of any page. Or go to and use the big search bar there. For more information, see Help:Contents. Enjoy! GoingBatty (talk) 02:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
With the skin changes the search field may either be at the centre top of a page or on the left-hand side of the sticky header. Just click on the OOjs UI icon search.svg icon and start typing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:51, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

How can you add a portlet menu like Twinkle's?[edit]

RT. I can't find anything on Help:Customizing_toolbars. Thanks. --魔琴 (Zauber Violino) (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@魔琴: Yes, although it requires some complex skin-dependent javascript code. See MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js#L-250 and following for how twinkle does this. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:22, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Victor Schmidt: Is the script dependent on something? I got a "too many errors" warning when I tried to fork it. --魔琴 (Zauber Violino) (talk) 12:22, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@魔琴: that particular function (Twinkle.addPortlet()) is only dependant on jQuery, though the overal Gadget-Twinle is dependant upon a ton of other stuff as visible on MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, some of which are the menu entry submodules. Amongst others:
Note that in particular the subgadgets might have dependencies too. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
The whole thing is also visible (slightly improved) on Special:Gadgets, though that one includes all submodules. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


Reproduction system — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear IP editor, this is the Help desk where you can ask questions about how to edit Wikipedia articles. Did you have a question?--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Reproductive system may be what the OP is looking for. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 17:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

replacing an article with a fuller, longer one[edit]

Is one permitted to delete an existing article and replace it with another fuller article, written by someone else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:44F1:4A00:9CE3:68AA:7E2A:69C (talk) 09:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

It's hard to say without specifics, but it doesn't sound like a good idea. One obvious problem would be copyright, as all text on Wikipedia has to be free to redistribute. The other problem is WP:CONSENSUS. This is built up over a period of time and should not be overridden. If you want to propose major changes to an article, it is best to discuss them on the article's talk page first.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
It would help us to give a better answer if we knew the article involved; there are circumstances where that might be okay and ones where it might be not okay. I assume with "replace it by another, fuller article written by someone else" you mean that you would be the author. 10:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 331dot (talkcontribs)
I suggest that in most circumstances it is better to modify the existing article incrementally with (well-referenced) additions, corrections and rearrangements. Consensus can then be established for each step change, rather than making one giant leap which might be hard for other interested editors to swallow in one gulp. Rome was not rebuilt in a day. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 17:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
2A02:C7F:44F1:4A00:9CE3:68AA:7E2A:69C, assuming you mean that you want to entirely rewrite a Wikipedia article, you will want to bring it up on the article's Talk page. Be sure to state the deficiencies of the article, as well as the sources, or types of sources, you intend to base your new article on. It is polite to ask if any other editors might want to pitch in with suggestions for the new article. If anyone becomes upset at your offer, and no other editors come to your defense, bring the situation up at the Teahouse before proceeding. --Quisqualis (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

RFC closing question[edit]

Hello I have a question about RFC procedure at Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory. An RFC is currently running about a passage in the article here: Talk:Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#RfC:_Original_research_issue? opened by RaiderAspect.

RaiderAspect has removed the passage in question saying that "consensus has been reached" despite the RFC having not been formally closed. I reinstaded the contested text because the RFC is still ongoing (and Raider has reverted me again). What is the correct way forward here? I was under the impression that while an RFC is running, it should not be enforced (and certainly not by the person who opened the RFC). Thanks Mvbaron (talk) 12:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

For the record, my understanding is that this is a procedural dispute rather than a content dispute; all of the RfC participants, including Mvbaron, have agreed that the text in question fails verification. I would not have made these edits if anyone had defended the passage, or if the RfC hadn't already been fairly well-attended. --RaiderAspect (talk) 12:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree it is procedural, but isn't the correct way to wait for an (uninvolved) closer of the RFC? or at least propose a close at the RFC and then proceed to close? Right now, the RFC is still ongoing but the text in question is already removed. Mvbaron (talk) 12:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
The content in question, and any other attempt to suggest that Feldman is making an 'argument' about etymology, does not have a SNOWball's chance in Hell of surviving the RfC.  Tewdar (talk) 13:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
RfC is now closed.  Tewdar (talk) 13:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
omg, you can't close it either. You're involved. Mvbaron (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I proposed a move to close at the RFC per Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Ending_RfCs: "The RfC participants can agree to end it at any time, and one of them can remove the rfc template."--Mvbaron (talk) 14:12, 22 January 2022 (UTC) Comment - RFC has been closed by an uninvolved editor. and the policy-discussion has been moved here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RFC_involved_closures --Mvbaron (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Why are you being bought by big pharma ?[edit]

I will not donate another cent and now consider you useless source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

[citation needed] What are your sources for this extraordinary assertion? --Orange Mike | Talk 14:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
We are not being bought by big pharma, we don't allow advertising, and editors are volunteers who couldn't be controlled if the nonprofit Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia was paid off by big pharma. In case you think we are unfair to alternative medicine, see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:33, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
We're being bought by Big Pharma? Then where is my payment? I've always wanted a Lamborghini, and maybe I can buy one when my money from Big Pharma comes in!--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Do not respond to posts that are intentionally worded to seek a reaction instead of a dialogue. Just revert it off. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello anonymous editor. Wikipedia's content standards do not take the Wikimedia Foundation's financial needs into consideration. At all. And thank you for your previous generosity.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

RfC with no concensus[edit]

About 30 days ago, I opened a RfC but no one has answered it. What can I do to find a consensus? Dr Salvus 15:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Dr Salvus It would help if you linked to the discussion. 331dot (talk) 15:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
331dot, Here's the discussion. Dr Salvus 16:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Dr Salvus You started a talk page discussion, but it is not marked as a formal Request for Comment(RFC, which is a specific thing). This is why no one else has replied. Please read the instructions at that link for information on how to start a formal RFC. 331dot (talk) 16:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Bias on Wikipedia[edit]

I would like to be directed to the correct page on where to go if I have concerns that the bias on Wikipedia leans towards a liberal side rather than addressing both liberal and conservative. Thanks, Interstellarity (talk) 16:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: this comes up a lot, but the short answer is content is based on the sources that are used. Perhaps start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Systemic bias. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 16:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Interstellarity (ec) Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. Sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves as to bias and other factors. Wikipedia does not provide equal time to all sides of an issue irrespective of how sources cover it- coverage of an issue depends on the sources. See WP:FALSEBALANCE.
Wikipedia does claim to have a neutral point of view in terms of how information is presented- but again, this is different than claiming to be unbiased. If you have a concern that a partcular article does not present the given sources neutrally, or that the sources are not accurately summarized, please discuss that on the associated talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks everyone. That helps a lot. Interstellarity (talk) 17:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
It has been observed (in a satirical context) that "Reality has a well-known liberal bias". {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 17:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: another point: the English Wikipedia has editors from all English-speaking countries and from other countries. Many non-US people consider the US to be fairly far to the right, Even US "liberal" positions seem to be to the right of center. US liberals are still fighting for "progressive" things that are taken for granted in many other places, such as universal health care, free education, paid maternity/paternity leave, and free child care. -Arch dude (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

What happens if one is proposing a merger but doesn't get any reply?[edit]

Ak-eater06 (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: Hi there! In general, I suggest reviewing the guidance at Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers. If you provide the articles in question, we can provide more detailed suggestions. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
User:GoingBatty I'm talking about this: Talk:Domestic policy of the Stephen Harper government#Merger proposal. Ak-eater06 (talk) 20:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Ak-eater06: That's helpful - thank you! It's been less than 24 hours. Responses may take several days. Looking at Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers#How to propose a merger, you've done step 1. Next, you could do step 2 and determine if step 3 is needed. GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

This has no banned symbol but is tagged as such[edit]

this file claims it contains nazi imagery, this is not corret. can i simply remove the category? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bindestriche (talkcontribs) 19:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bindestriche: I don't understand why the "Summary" description has 30+ other images, some of which contain the Nazi swastika. I suggest you ask at the Commons help desk: commons:Commons:Help desk. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 20:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Citation template for a patent[edit]

I'm trying to cite a patent (it's something I have never tried before), and, while my citation looks OK, it is sitting within the text of the article, rather than in the references section. I followed the example here. What went wrong?--Quisqualis (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: It was missing the <ref>...</ref> tags, which I added in this edit. Hope this is what you were looking for, and thanks for improving the article! GoingBatty (talk) 22:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, GoingBatty. After spending some time on the intricacies, I forgot the basic format!--Quisqualis (talk) 22:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Usage of "he" rather than "his government" in politician articles[edit]

For example, on Franklin D. Roosevelt, there are many parts that say, "he did this, he did that" (like, "He also instituted major regulatory reforms related to finance, communications, and labor, and presided over the end of Prohibition."). But isn't it supposed to be "his government" as it's realistally impossible for him to have done this alone. Or is there some rule on Wiki I'm not aware about? Ak-eater06 (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Ak-eater06, it's standard practice nearly everywhere, including on Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@Ak-eater06: Standard practice by politicians, press, and people in general to credit the politicians for all the good things that happened, and criticize the politicians for all the bad things that happened, regardless of how the politicians themselves actually influenced the outcome. GoingBatty (talk) 22:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Robert Hugh Miller[edit]

Yesterday I edited the page on Robert Hugh Miller (my great-grandfather). His year of birth was previously shown as 1826, which may have been based on some biographical encyclopedias. However, there is a photograph of his tombstone on Find-a-Grave, showing his year of birth as 1828. That seems to me a more certain datum. My question has to do with how to properly show the reference source on this. Wm. J Pease.William J. Pease (talk) 22:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@William J. Pease: Hi there! Since you have a conflict of interest, you should not be editing articles about people related to you. I reverted your edit to Robert Hugh Miller based on the date mentioned in reference #2. (You also didn't change the year everywhere in the article.) I suggest you post on the article's talk page Talk:Robert Hugh Miller with the {{edit request}} template, a link to the Find a Grave page, and any other reliable published sources you have about his birth year. Or, you may use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
@William J. Pease: Note that according to WP:RSP, Find-a-Grave contains user-generated content and is therefore considered unreliable on Wikipedia. You should find a better source for the change that you wish to propose. CodeTalker (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)