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May 14[edit]

Banu Chichek[edit]


I need help with this article, [[1]]. At the bottom of the page, there is a "TV adaptation" section. However Banu Chichek from the Book of Dede Korkut and from the tv series are not related. Only similarity is their names because scriptwriters took the name from the book as they did for many other characters in the series. In that case I wonder, if they should be seperate pages or is it simply enough to mention on the tv adaptation section that they are not related?

Best Regards,

Miriel--MirielTherinde (talk) 01:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. IronManCap, are there actually sources in the article that says that the DE character is inspired by the Book of Dede Korkut character? The one in the lead doesn't. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Banu Chichek seems to be an attempt to shoehorn two subjects into one article. It even has two infoboxes. It should be split into separate articles, each with a "not to be confused with" note linking to the other. Maproom (talk) 07:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
It seems to be an attempt to put Diriliş: Ertuğrul PLOT into even more WP-articles. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, MirielTherinde, and Maproom: Yeah, looking at some sources, they don't seem to support an adaptation for this particular character, only stating such for Bamsi Beyrek and Princess Saljan / Selcan Hatun. Maybe we should split the article in two, or merge the 'TV adaptation' with List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul characters#Banu Çiçek. IronManCap (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, IronManCap, and Maproom: Actually, I noticed, exactly the same thing was done with Saljan Khatun [[2]] and Bamsi Beyrek [[3]]. Again, characters from the Book of Korkut Ata but not related to characters with the same name from DE series. There are no similarities in storylines between the book and series in any way, only the names. Therefore, they can't be called "adaptations". I think, if there is a source, it can be written that DE characters were inspired from the Book of Korkut Ata but the DE characters should have seperate pages. I think it will be the best to reorganize them as seperate articles like Maproom mentioned.--MirielTherinde (talk) 10:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@MirielTherinde: There are sources saying Bamsi and Selcan are homages to the Book of Dede Korkut characters, so those are valid. This kind of style follows the example of articles like Jon Snow (character), although that doesn't have two infoboxes. Merging the DE and Book of DK characters into one article was Limorina's idea, I wonder if she has anything to say about this. IronManCap (talk) 10:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@IronManCap: Because Jon Snow from the series "Game of Thrones" is a literal adaptation of the character Jon Snow from the book series that has the same named first book "Game of Thrones". Yet in DE's case, inspiration is not equal to adaptation. I think it is not accurate to put them in same page, just because the scriptwriters "inspired" and took the names from the book. Again, there are no similarities between storylines, except the names.--MirielTherinde (talk) 10:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


INNOCENT PREY is a music group created and owned all rights reserved to/by SOUNDWIN PRODUCTIONS AND PUBLISHING

Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Git repository for Wikimedia Commons image gallery interface?[edit]

I'd like to use the lovely Wikimedia Commons image gallery interface in an open source project:

screenshot of wikimedia commons image gallery

I'm assuming the frontend interface is open source, but I can't find a git repository for it. Is it a separate repo or is bundled with MediaWiki?

thank you 🙂 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Growdigital (talkcontribs) 08:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Growdigital. You're unlikely to get much help on that question here, as this is a page for help with editing (not the software), and on Wikipedia specifically. You might find what you're looking for at mw:Category:Extensions; or if not, elsewhere in that Wiki. --ColinFine (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@Growdigital: The Git repository is available on Gerrit and GitHub. See mw:Extension:MediaSearch for more info. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The dates given in ArbCom guide just don't add up with each other[edit]

I just visited to read about ArbCom, and found this section Wikipedia:5-minute guide to ArbCom elections#How do the elections work?. The dates provided here are wrong, it says that all events (like, Nomination period, voting period, etc.) are scheduled for 14 May to 13 May (which should be -1 or 364 days), but the brackets there say 10 days or 14 days. Someone please fix them with correct data, or simply hide the section until correct data is available. Or atleast forward this concern to someone who can fix it. Thanks. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 11:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

It uses a template which had not been updated with 2021 dates. I have added plausible dates.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. The dates were so weird before you updated them, that I just couldn't stop myself from posting it here. CX Zoom (talk) 10:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

How to submit my draft for review[edit]

This is the link to my draft:

I don't have the usual large window and button telling me to click to submit for review. I can't seem to figure out how to move on to next steps toward review/publication.

Thanks very much in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Northernguide (talkcontribs) 13:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@NorthernGuide: Well you seem to have figured it out. The page is notable, and mostly meets standards, so it is fine in main space. I have moved it to a more usual title, we don't usually put maiden names or the like in titles if not needed. AdmiralEek Thar she edits! 15:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Courtesy ping: @Northernguide: CX Zoom (talk) 10:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Image formatting[edit]

I added a picture to Mount Eerie (album) and I wanted it to display on the left in the 'Recording' section (like as seen in The Glow Pt. 2), but it seems it only wants to display until after the infobox is done, and this article happens to have a very long infobox. I'm wondering if there's a way around this, or a better place to put the image. Thanks! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 14:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@Mcguy15: Fixed by using {{Stack}}.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:27, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thank you very much! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 00:57, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Word In Headline[edit]

Hi there, I am updating a page on Wikipedia, but i cannot figure out how to remove something from the headline and update the logo. The page i am working on is and the program is no longer associated with RBC, so i am looking to change page to just

As well, the program logo has changed, the new image has been added to the site but i get an error when i try to upload here

Any help would be amazing! thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianImmigrant (talkcontribs) 14:44, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

You are looking to move a page. See Wikipedia:Moving a page for instructions. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 14:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
CanadianImmigrant, your user name appears to represent an organisation, which is not allowed by Wikipedia and implies you have a conflict of interest. Please can you review the information I have posted on your talk page, User talk:CanadianImmigrant and change your user name. In particular, if you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for any contribution you make, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation to comply with our terms of use and our policy on paid editing. If you have any questions, please ask. TSventon (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Mcguy15 this user won't have access to move the page, as you need to be autoconfirmed (4 days, 10 edits). CanadianImmigrant I have moved the page as requested. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: My bad, I should have checked that. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 16:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@CanadianImmigrant: I've updated the logo used in the Top 25 Canadian Immigrants Award infobox. If you can't see the change you may have to clear your cache (alt+f5 usually works). nagualdesign 21:25, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Renaming an article?[edit]

I created an article titled The Workers Party of Britain but I've realized that it would be more fitting if it were just titled "Workers Party of Britain". Is there a way to possibly change an article name? Beesechurg 17:39, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you can use the move function which should be visible at the top of the page? (Might depend on your skin--I'm most familiar with Monobook, where it's just after the history tab at the top of an article. (Relevant wikilink: WP:Moving a page) - Purplewowies (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
You will run into a problem, though - Workers Party of Britain redirects to George Galloway. I will go ahead and request that the redirect be replaced with your article. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 18:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Well, it actually looks like the article was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Workers Party of Britain. So, I am going to hold off on my request. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 18:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Well, thanks anyways; let me know if I need to do anything. Beesechurg 18:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@Beesechurg: - I would say two things: 1) Look at the deletion discussion I linked to. It took place over a year ago and it is certainly possible that the party has grown to be notable. If you believe that the party is now notable (see WP:ORG if you are unsure) and think that the deletion discussion no longer applies: 2) make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. I would do this myself but I am not knowledgeable on the party and I think you are in a better position to determine notability. If you have questions feel free to let me know. Cheers and sorry for making this more confusing than necessary! ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 18:33, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I've went ahead and made a move request. No need to apologize and thanks for all the help! 😀 Beesechurg 19:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

modificarea paginei Meditatie Transcedentala in Romana[edit]


The page Miscarea Transcendentala from Wikipedia Romania ( has a lot of references which are not related to the subject and some references are not valid. However, it carries a detrimental image to one of the political personalities of Romania the philosopher Andrei Plesu. Despite my emails to the administrator Victor Blacus there is a will to keep the current "form".

Regards AD

We cannot assist with issues on other projects. YODADICAE👽 21:29, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Ill Nino Article[edit]

Can you Please help me fix the Ill Nino Article Please. (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

You mean, Ill Niño? What kind of help does it need, or what kind do you want? (Whatever your answer, I shan't help, because I know nothing about the subject. However, your clear description might succeed in getting help from some other editor(s).) -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I looked at your edits and made several fixes.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

May 15[edit]

Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2021[edit]

Hi! I'm not sure where to notify other experienced editors about this so I'm posting this here.

The article Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2021 seems to be a bit biased. I'm not sure and it may be my own point of view but it seems like the article mostly portrays facts from only one side of the conflict and there is a lack of facts of incidents(e.g casualties) from the Palestine side and a lot of the information is unreferenced.

Can an experienced editor take a look at this?Pakib007 (talk) 02:25, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Pakib007 Generally speaking, the talk page of the affected article is the correct venue to raise issues about a specific article. That said, as I'm sure you can intuit, articles dealing with Israel-Palestine are some of our most controversial, hotly contested articles. Because of intractable disputes, articles in that area and editors working in that area are subject to discretionary sanctions. Because of that, caution is warranted when wading into that area.
I cannot speak to the bias in the article, but you said a lot of the information is unreferenced. I'm not entirely sure what you think is unreferenced. Each section cites at least one source, though I have not gone through the article and verified that the sources support all the information in the section to which they are appended. One thing you can do is to go through the article and put {{cn}} next to any information you believe to be unreferenced.
I hope this helps. It's at least a start. When working in this area, remember to keep your cool, and bring reliable sources for any information you want to add or challenge.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 05:10, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Henry VIII[edit]

Henry was married to Katherine of Aragon his first wife which in your article shows her name as Catherine which is his last 2 wife's name's!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:9500:d0d1:ed77:1877:164a:10b8 (talkcontribs)

See Catherine_of_Aragon#Spelling_of_her_name. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 05:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Rotating an image[edit]

An article on my watchlist has an image that needs rotating 90 degrees in order for it to make sense. How do I do that? -Roxy . wooF 06:39, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: You might want to look into Template:Rotate over at Wikimedia Commons. Inimesh (talk) 07:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
The image is here, on wikipedia, not commons. -Roxy . wooF 07:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I looked anyway, and it is above my pay grade. Thanks though. -Roxy . wooF 07:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@Roxy the dog: Would you like to link the article in question? {{Transform-rotate}} might do the trick. Inimesh (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
The first image at Colour fastness needs to rotate 90 degrees anti-clockwise, or 270 degrees clockwise. -Roxy . wooF 09:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
This is a clear, simple and sensible request. I'll gladly do it myself once I'm at a proper computer; unless someone else gets there first. Maproom (talk) 09:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 Done. Maproom (talk) 10:09, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@Roxy the dog: For future reference, any requests for image alterations both here and on Commons can be made at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop (or on my talk page once I've got my damn laptop fixed). nagualdesign 14:30, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you to everybody who took time to help here. -Roxy . wooF 14:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Big shout out to all at the Graphics Lab, excellent unsung work. MinorProphet (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

please help me how to use wikipedia external links and edit post[edit]

by Devid nexa- unsigned (fixed by CX Zoom)

@Devid nexa: Hi and Welcome to Wikipedia. I went through your contributions and it looks like you want to create citations, which cite your own work and is a Conflict of Interest. Please read WP:COI before proceeding. If you want to learn more in depth about editing Wikipedia consider reading Help:Introduction and Help:Getting started. These two articles contain almost everything you need to learn in order to make many good edits to Wikipedia. If you need help, you can ask here. Have a nice day. CX Zoom (talk) 11:29, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I properly question the verifiability and reliability of a source?[edit]

Hello! Recently I came across an article that links to a sketchy low-quality website, which I do not believe is a reasonably reliable source. How do I go about challenging and/or removing this source? --PeanutButterPopcorn (talk) 11:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

PeanutButterPopcorn Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you believe that a source(and by extention the information being cited) is not a reliable source, or otherwise question it, you may edit the article to remove it(or if the article is protected, you may make an edit request on the talk page). If someone disagrees with you, they should start a discussion on the talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:20, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@PeanutButterPopcorn: If a talk page discussion cannot reach consensus right away, then take it to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. -Arch dude (talk) 15:47, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, 331dot. The info has other reliable sources, it is just this one source that seems unreliable and should therefore be removed from the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PeanutButterPopcorn (talkcontribs)
Well, I got that location confused, didn't I. Yes, you may simply remove the problematic source. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Need help to be a article blogger[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Team,

I'm a fresher on Wikipedia i wanna be a article blogger like portfolio creator or etc. But i don't know how to start or creator a blogging so please help me out... — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Fact Explorer (talkcontribs) 11:52, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

The Fact Explorer This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia; Wikipedia is not a blogging website. If you would like to write encyclopedia articles, you should be advised that doing so is the most difficult task to perform here. As such, you should first gain experience by editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. You may also find it helpful to use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox images of people[edit]

Hello help desk,

I would like to know how images of people are decided. The two possible arguments that I see on Wikipedia are the quality of the image and how recent the image was taken. I would like to know what criteria images have to be in order to be used in the infobox of a person. Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Interstellarity quite often we have to accept whatever free photo is available. It can be surprisingly hard to find unencumbered photos of living people. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Like the rest of Wikipedia, the choice between different images is decided by community consensus. If you'd like to swap an infobox image just open a discussion at the article talk page and explain your own rationale. nagualdesign 14:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: However, if there is a free image, even if only marginally acceptable, then a non-free image cannot be used. -Arch dude (talk) 15:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@Dodger67, Nagualdesign, and Arch dude: Thanks for your response. I was assuming that there are multiple free images available on Commons for a particular person and I already knew that free images should be used if possible so there was no need to tell me that. If I'm understanding it correctly, images of living or deceased people are decided by community consensus, and that are no guidelines to follow when deciding which image to choose. If this is not true or I'm missing something, please let me know. Interstellarity (talk) 23:36, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Interstellarity if the subject is a living person only free images are acceptable, fair-use images are not permitted. For deceased people fair-use is allowed, but only if a free image is not available. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: Your choice of an image is like your choice of wording or layout: a matter of editorial judgement. We try (but sometimes fail) to avoid "process creep", and instead depend on editorial judgement and consensus. In this case, I would think that the "Best" image may not depend on image quality or how recent, but rather how well the image relates to the text of the article. For example, a person known primarily for activities at age 20 should probably have a image at that age for the infobox, not a later image. When there are multiple images, add them within the article at the most relevant points if they will contribute to the reader's understanding or to the appeal of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thank you for your response. There was a discussion here about the lead image in the infobox on Ronald Reagan which was closed with a strong consensus to use the 1981 first term portrait. However, the discussion on Obama here favored the recent second term image from 2012. I can agree that we should use the official portraits of presidents whenever possible during their presidency, for example, we don't have an image of Jimmy Carter when he was 90 years old in the infobox, but the question is do we use the best quality images for presidents regardless of when they are taken or does how recent the image was taken matter. This is my take on this issue and I hope I'm not going off-topic. Interstellarity (talk) 18:28, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: I strongly suggest that you familiarize yourself with WP:OTHER. As Arch Dude and I have already mentioned, the choice of which image to use in any given article is based on editorial judgement, just like the rest of the article content. If you have a discussion in article A that reaches a consensus, it's not necessarily a valid reason to start a discussion in article B wherein your reasoning is "this is what we did in article A". To be clear, there are no hard and fast guidelines as to how these decisions are made. You have to take them on a case-by-case basis. If one article about a president uses a 1st term official portrait for reasons explained in the discussion it does not necessarily follow that an article for a different president should use a 1st term official portrait. The reasoning explained by editors of that article are what you ought to focus on. My advice would be to avoid robotically starting discussions in different articles on US presidents, or looking for 'hard-coded' rationales to apply. nagualdesign 19:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying and I have read WP:OTHER. Interstellarity (talk) 20:23, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


Dear Sir or Madam,

Do you know how I can get full pages of text when I email Wikipedia text pages?

Thank you.

John Martine

Hi, John. You can copy the entire page and paste in on your email, or use the "Download as PDF" option to make a PDF file of the page you currently are on, or use the "Printable version" option to create a colored print out, or convert it to PDF. These options can be found at the left side of all pages, below Wikipedia logo. You may also make a Word document by copy- pasting the contents of a page and email the .docx or .pdf file as an attachment. CX Zoom (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Description of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam needs to be corrected[edit]

Description of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam in

It currently reads "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam is a Sanskrit phrase found in Hindu texts such as the Maha Upanishad, which means 'let our kids gets tortured and give proctor exams'.[2]" which is incorrect and offensive. Please correct is ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:777F:D272:80E8:E7B9:E1A8:B53F (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

The text was vandalised at 13.04 today and corrected at 14.23. TSventon (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Talk page[edit]

Hello, could someone please tell me how to create my talk page? Thanking you in advance, --Panther Of France (talk) 15:24, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I just created it. You create a page by clicking on a red link to that page and then putting something in the resulting edit window. The "talk" link in your signature was red, so I clicked on it and then added a standard "welcome" message. And Welcome to Wikipedia! -Arch dude (talk) 15:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


ways used by the colonial government to secure African labour for settlement?

You're going to want to ask at the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Template capitalization[edit]

Dear Help Desk. I know template names are not case-sensitive and there seems to be no guideline or policy about the capitalization of template names. However, when writing an article, one would probably like to capitalise the templates in some consistent manner. Is there some kind of a good practice to follow? For example, the recent FA Holocaust in Slovakia seems to try to use all-lower-case for all its templates. However, it balks at lower-casing the template "TOC-limit". It might be that each template has its own preferred capitalisation. For example the documentation of the template "SfnRef" consistently uses Sfn, SfnRef, but harv, harvid, and harvnb. How can one find out what the true name of a template is? Some other articles seem to capitalise template names haphazardly, e.g. the recent FA Battle of Inverkeithing. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

@Johannes Schade: Template names are case sensitive, except for the first character. The true name is with upper case first character. Sometimes there are redirects from names with different capitalization after the first character. Redirects have to be created by editors. {{TOC limit}} is the true name. {{tOC limit}} automatically works too but would be silly. There are many redirects but only one with a hyphen: {{TOC-limit}}. The true name is shown at top of the template page, except rare cases where the displayed name is changed by DISPLAYTITLE. It's not important which name is used but if you really want a recommendation then I suggest to avoid redirects and to use the initial capitalization in examples on the template page. If there are no examples then use upper case. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Dear PrimeHunter. Thank you very much for your very useful explanations. Besides, I was wrong about The Holocaust in Slovakia. It uses {{TOC limit}} without the hyphen and it also uses {{Notelist}} with an upper-case initial. I looked at what the template documentations give in their usage instructions or examples. It appears to be haphazard and inconsistant. e.g. {{notelist}} but {{Reflist}}, {{sfn}} but {{SfnRef}}. The documentation itself is inconsistent in how it capitalises the template names, and in some cases even presents more than one capitalisation for the templates that it documents, e.g. {{Reflist}}. I feel I will ignore the usage instructions with regard to capitalisation and use the true names with their upper-case initials. I will also avoid redirects aliases as you recommended. With many thanks and greetings, Johannes Schade (talk) 10:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

May 16[edit]

Green ribbon[edit]

I see that in Wikipedia the green lapel ribbon is used to denote mental health issues. It is also used to denote Lyme Disease. As a person whose Lyme Disease is in remission, I am aware of the use of a green ribbon to denote the disease. Can you please add this fact to Wikipedia under what a green ribbon means.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:c660:1200:150c:d0d1:3c5c:b952 (talkcontribs) 16 May 2021 03:07 (UTC)

You will first need to supply a reliable source for that assertion.--Shantavira|feed me 08:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
To expand on Shantavira's reply: everything in Wikipedia needs to be sourced to a reliable published source, because otherwise a reader has no way of verifying it. Your personal knowledge (or mine) is not acceptable. If you can find a source (such as a major newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher), please make a suggestion on the talk page of the particular article, citing the source. --ColinFine (talk) 20:47, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

User box templates?[edit]

I've looked in the galleries and haven't been able to find any userbox templates for

Has anybody created templates for these? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 03:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@Chatul: If they're not in the userboxen lists, probably not. Confidently not for Bujold because I skimmed the Template namespace links and User namespace links (userboxen are generally hosted in one or the other) and found nothing. For more popular articles that's probably too difficult. In any case, it's likely quicker to pick a userbox style you like, copy the code into a user subpage (or template space if you think others will find it useful) and change the text/image to what you want. If you struggle with this, ping me with the best you can do and I'll try to touch it up. — Bilorv (talk) 14:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@Bilorv: I started with User:Chatul/Userboxen/Smetana and wanted to replace the image with
[[Image:Vysehrad as seen over the Vltava from Cisarska louka 732.jpg|thumb|right|Vyšehrad above the Vltava River]] to get
Vyšehrad above the Vltava River
However, I can't figure out how to rescale it or find a wikilink for a rescaled version. I also can't find the documentation for the syntax of the link, specifically the thumb and right between the link and its name; all that I could find in Help:wikilink was the single piped parameter for the name.
I've got quite a few userboxen on my user page, and wonder whether there is a way to group them into collapsible subsets.
I'm also trying to find a userbox endorsing Elizabeth Warren.
Thanks. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@Chatul: [[Image:Vysehrad as seen over the Vltava from Cisarska louka 732.jpg|70px]], as in the userbox you linked, works (and you can adjust "70", the number of pixels per row and column, as you require). As for the grouping, there's a collapsible option suggested at Wikipedia:Userboxes#Grouping userboxes. — Bilorv (talk) 17:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
The {{userboxgroup}} template did the trick. Thanks. 20:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk)

Meet Ajetomobi oluwatobiloba joshua[edit]

Meet oluwatobiloba Joshua the male fashion model causing reactions with beautiful pictures of him

Do you have a question? Theroadislong (talk) 13:52, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Add an other language version of an article.[edit]

Good morning, good evening.

I was thinking that I can put the article : in French but I don't really know how to do it...

If can someone help me about how can I editing this article I would be grateful!

Have a good Sunday everyone ! Thank you Oren M — Preceding unsigned comment added by EauReine (talkcontribs) 15:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

EauReine, there is advice at Wikipedia:Translate us, in particular, policies at Fr Wikipedia may be different and that you need reasonable fluency in the target language. TSventon (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Recent edit[edit]

Regarding my recent edit to the JW Player page - I feel my edit was justified to balance the comment I added to. The edit I made was correct and not fabricated. Regards Tim Higgins — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

The comment you made was editorialising and did not provide any extra information. It was telling readers what to think. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Using image as userpage background[edit]

I've previously seen people use images as the background of their user pages on English Wikipedia. When you hover your cursor over these images, they appear to not link to anything and are therefore non-interactive. I've also seen users superimpose text, tables and infoboxes over these background images. Does anyone know how I would be able to do such a thing for my own userpage? HeyitsBen talk 18:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

HeyitsBen, can you point to an example? LittlePuppers (talk) 01:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@HeyitsBen and LittlePuppers: Because it is not possible to insert images into the background-image property (the server will remove it while parsing because URLS are regarded as unsafe) I suspect this has been done using a complex css construct. But I would need to take a looo at the individual case, too. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

External link clarification[edit]

Regarding external links: I read WP:ELNO but there are a couple of cases that are not clear to me. (1) Is it OK to link to lyrics websites in articles about a song? (2) ELNO says don't link to mirrors or forks of Wikipedia, but we have Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/ABC and other pages like it which provide such links. Is that OK? RudolfRed (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:ELNO applies only in the main space. Ruslik_Zero 20:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! RudolfRed (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
But, RudolfRed, if the lyrics website is violating copyright, then you may not link to it. I suspect that many of them do so, though I don't know for sure. --ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
We shouldn't be linking to copyright violations in any namespace, ELNO be damned. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 04:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Does CHAOS (operating system) really have a promotional tone to it?[edit]

I scanned over the article and nothing sounded promotional to me. I'm still new so I'm not sure if there's something I'm missing or if the tag should just be removed. If there is something I would really appreciate it if someone could show me what it is! PeanutButterPopcorn (talk) 23:53, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@PeanutButterPopcorn: The headings are very suspect; you would be hard-pressed to find them on other articles. The way the article is structured (especially with headings like Security assessed by and Security provided by) looks to promote certain entities. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I removed the sections consisting only of references. They can always be brought back if there is something to actually write in them. JIP | Talk 01:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

May 17[edit]

My own photo has been "speedily removed" from my wiki page[edit]

How do I post my own photo to my own wiki page? How do I "Verify" my own photo taken by a family member? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Count Erich Manfred von Siebenburg (talkcontribs) 00:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Whoever holds the copyright to the image (which, in this case, is most likely that family member) needs to go through the procedure at WP:Donating copyrighted materials. This is a requirement; we do not allow fair-use images of living people. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 04:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Count Erich Manfred von Siebenburg, here's the easiest way: Assuming the image hasn't been published before (social media, imdb, whatever), have the photographer upload it with the process that starts here. That is a link to Commons, a sister-site to WP where we keep free images. If this is about Stephen M. Ryder, that article is likely to be deleted per WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. You need to cite references, and good ones. WP is very strict about copyright, so copypasting text from other websites is not allowed. See also WP:COI. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Public defamation[edit]


Recently we have had a lot of silly edits to our companies description. Most likely school students who think it's funny to change the description of our school and edit the name of our Principal. We have updated this a few times and they keep changing it.

I am wondering if there is any way we can stop this from happening...?

Best regards John Unwin Business Manager

You need to register an account, disclose your relationship, and edit only through that disclosed account. And that's before factoring in that you haven't said what the article is. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 04:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
This must be about Heritage College Sydney. It may warrant semi-protection, regardless of the status of the OP. Maproom (talk) 07:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Citation #5 at Dan Torten Fixing style/layout errors[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Dan Torten

I found a working link at the wayback machine but when I change it, references 1 and 2 magically break:

Cite warning: <ref> tag with name <URL_HERE> cannot be previewed because it is defined outside the current section or not defined in this article at all.

DarklitShadow (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@DarklitShadow: Nothing to worry about. It basically means that ref number 2 is not defined in the section you are currently editing, meaning the software doesn't know what it should display there. See named references for more information about reusing refs in different sections. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:20, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@DarklitShadow: I fixed the reference by editing the whole article which avoids the error message explained above. TSventon (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

William Bentvena[edit]

In the section on William Bentvena's murder, the article states "At the time of his murder in 1970, Bentvena was 49 years old and was a respected and feared made man in Gotti's crew and in the Gambino crime family.[2]" From what I understand, John Gotti wasn't inducted into the Gambino Crime Family until 1977--7 years after William Bentvena was killed. John Gotti was not an official member of the Gambino Family in 1970 and so he would not have been in charge of a crew and William Bentvena would not be working under Gotti. Gotti would have been a mere associate of the family when Bentvena was alive and Bentvena would have outranked him.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Odyswood (talkcontribs) 17 May 2021 05:36 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is Talk:William Bentvena, where you're more likely to find editors who understand the issues. Maproom (talk) 07:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
The way it is phrased in the article ("a respected and feared made man in Gotti's crew and in the Gambino crime family"), as well as from the snippet I could read from the book that referenced it, it implies that Gotti's crew weren't part of the Gambino organization. I'm no expert on this. Is there any reason for Gotti not to have his own independent little gang at this time? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Auto-correction tool[edit]

I am trying to make a simple tool that will help to automatically replace a user’s wrong using characters with the correct one in Mon Wiktionary in MediaWiki:Common.css. It doesn’t work. Anyone can help me for that? --Htawmonzel (talk) 09:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@Htawmonzel: You cannot place rich html using CSS, you need to use JavaScript (so wikt:mnw:MediaWiki:Common.js) for that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank @Victor Schmidt: I can't make it works. It might be incorrect script. If you know please help. --Htawmonzel (talk) 11:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


There is something that I want to post that doesn't fit in any of the categories. Where do I post it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 13:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, what do you mean by "post"? Can you provide some more details about what you are trying to do, so that we can help you do it? --Jayron32 13:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I mean what I am doing right now. (Just wanted to say that I come from the LifeWiki ( userpage). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. We are not associated with LifeWiki. There are thousands of wikis. They just use the same software as us. If you want to post about Wikipedia then please say what the post is about so we can say where it belongs. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

It is that why does Wikipedia show the IP addresses of people who haven't registered after they edit something?— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Because it is a unique identifier. There has been much back and forth discussion over the years about whether we should even allow unregistered users. There is a project in the works to try to anonymize IP users, though we're unsure when it will be finished. If you do not wish your IP to be public, you should register an account. AdmiralEek Thar she edits! 15:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

sister sledge[edit]

I Kathy Sledge am The United States trademark owner of the mark "Sister Sledge" as a Member manager of "Sister Sledge" LLC I also control the international trademark. Presently Wikipedia contains information that is false and "Self serving" to an editor. Grossly claiming false information concerning membership which We have corrected on more that one occasion only to be re-editing with un verified information. We are informing you of this in order to have its current unauthorized editor banned from making further false claims. I (we) can support this information by providing official trademark ownership certificates as well as corporate by laws.

Please advise

Kathy Sledge — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sledge scamlikely (talkcontribs) 16:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sledge scamlikely: What exactly is your concern with the page? What sentences do you take issue with? AdmiralEek Thar she edits! 16:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Sledge scamlikely, the proper place to discuss your concerns is Talk:Sister Sledge. Please familiarize yourself with the guidelines about editing with a WP:COI and also read WP:OWNERSHIP. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Which template would I use to cite a city report?[edit]

I'm trying to cite a city council report PDF in this draft. I don't think I did right because it leads to a 404 webpage instead of the PDF I read. Does anyone know how to fix this? Clovermoss (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: I think I fixed it; though please check, to make sure it goes to the page you intended to reference. Eagleash (talk) 18:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@Eagleash: I just checked and it's fixed. Thank you for figuring out what went wrong. Clovermoss (talk) 18:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Connect edits to existing pages[edit]

Hi. I won't keep you for too long, but the thing is that I've been looking up old tv shows and series for kids and young adults. I've personally had shows which names I couldn't remember prying on my mind. And sadly, the pages Wikipedia had to offer were rather short, so I decided to do something about that. I'm clearly not the only one trying to find old shows and series nowadays.

So I'm pretty much ready to start editing the list, but there's one problem. See, I'm actually Swedish, and a lot of shows were imported, so while I couldn't find too many pages in Swedish I found a lot in English and a few other languages. So now I'm just wondering how to connect my edits (which will be in Swedish) to their respective, English, pages. And you know here on Wikipedia, if something is marked blue, it's clickable. If it's marked red, it's still clickable, but it doesn't lead you anywhere. And I would of course want my edits to be blue marked. I hope this can be done, somehow.

Any serious help will be greatly appreciated, so thanks in advance!

Note: this question has already been answered at the WP:Teahouse. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Patton a word[edit]

Can I put a new word on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

In the general run of things, no. See WP:NEO. Eagleash (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

submission approval[edit]

hi wikipedia team,

happy monday, i wanted to check in to see if progress has been made in my wikipedia submission from February. let me know if i can do anything to expedite approval. thank you!

This regards Draft:Alix Peabody. In short: its not suitable for inclusion as it is basically an advertisement. It is not written in the neutral and encyclopedic tone of an encyclopedia. It is written more like a puff piece meant to make the subject seem more important. Our articles stick to the facts, not emotions. AdmiralEek Thar she edits! 19:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Mildred Mottahedeh[edit]

Mildred Mottahedeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have tried to edit my late aunt’s biography several times to change incorrect information. Someone continues to revert it back and tell me that I am misinformed and have no proof of my allegations. Well,the proof is in the bibliography. My aunt, a major reproducer of Chinese porcelain was sometimes a reproduction of herself!

How can Wikipedia be trusted, if someone with incorrect information is allowed to continually edit?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AuntRuthWurtzel (talkcontribs) 20:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@AuntRuthWurtzel: Your changes were reverted as no Independent, reliable sources were provided. Wikipedia reports on what has been written in the sources; personal knowledge is original research and cannot be verified. This has been explained at your talk page. Please review all the information provided there. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


hello please help me edit a Biography that has libelous poorly sourced information .— Preceding unsigned comment added by StateStreet6 (talkcontribs) 21:05, 17 May 2021 21:05 (UTC)

StateStreet6 (ec) I assume this is related to Robert Teitel. If there is libelous content about you on Wikipedia, please follow the instructions at WP:LIBEL. 331dot (talk) 21:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I removed the content as it was (as is the rest of the article) unsourced. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Non-Census sources in the US Census population infobox[edit]

Hi there! I have just a couple of questions about adding population data from non-census sources to the infobox that's ubiquitous to pretty much all pages for cities and towns in the United States.

· There are a lot of towns and cities in the United States I have found in my research on nineteenth-century America that, for whatever reason, did not have separately-counted population statistics returned to the U.S. Census bureau. However, many of these places did have population figures and/or estimates that show up in contemporaneous, but non-census sources, particularly in gazetteers of the United States, and in fact a lot of these numbers already appear in articles across Wikipedia, albeit without any sources provided for where the numbers came from. Since the historical population table used in most U.S. city articles was seemingly intended to be filled out using official census counts, I presume that any additional data that I add to the tables should be noted as being non-census sources using a reference or footnote marker (such as the number from 1852 provided for the article on the history of San Francisco). Are there any "best practices" that I should follow when adding these types of data to articles?

· I have two rather interesting cases (both derived from the same source) where both cities' populations were not officially reported in the final census count, but were nevertheless recorded and reported to a local newspaper in the same year as the census in question (1850), and these figures were furthermore provided by an individual who I was later able to verify was the person responsible for conducting the U.S. census operations in the county where these two cities were located. Since this particular case would seem to involve an unusual gray area between official and unofficial counts (considering that they were conducted as part of the federal counting procedure, but for some reason never made their way to the final census reports), if I were to add these numbers to the respective city articles, what would be the best way to acknowledge the unusual circumstances surrounding how these numbers were found?

Thanks for the help!

Prussian Fool (talk) 21:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Arcane template question about sfn's within notetag text[edit]

Hi, in articles with large numbers of citations, I use sfn's and template notetag to remove the inline <ref> clutter in the interests of making it less confusing for new contributors to make additions. However in the case of notetagged material, if it has an sfn within it, I cannot place the note at the end of the article and refer to it by name, or I will get redtext warnings that the sfn referents were not resolved. An example may make this more clear. For example, in the Trumpism article, notetag Jones2012 works just fine because it has no sfns. But notetag|name=Goldberg1 text does not if it is moved to the notes section as with the Jones note. If you try this and preview the result, you will see the error red text I am talking about. I have tried Ref=sfnref to address what I anticipate is a template processing order of dereferencing issue, but to no avail. Putting <ref>'s in the notetag works, but this solution junks up the footnote section with voluminous material that belongs in the bibliography section. Any suggestions? I can live with the inline notetag clutter as you see in the example article but I suspect others may have found a solution to this annoying situation. If there is no immediate answer, please ping me even if your suggested solution occurs to you years from now. J JMesserly (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Publishing my biography[edit]

Hello, i am a signer and i would like to publish my article, can you help me with that?

here is the link — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliasgaouro (talkcontribs) }

@Eliasgaouro: I am really rather enjoying listening to your music as I write this, and I have held back from immediately deleting your userpage for a moment, despite it being totally in contravention of our policies. See WP:USERPAGE to appreciate that a userpage is purely there for you to tell people about your interests in editing Wikipedia, and should not resemble a Wikipedia article. Based on the sources given, you do not come across as a Notable Person. I am confident another administrator will soon drop by and delete that page, per WP:PROMOTION and WP:NOTWEBHOST. Sorry about that, but this is an encyclopaedia of notable things, not a place for everyone on the planet to promote themselves. (Still loving your music, though!) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

PS: What has being a signer got to do with anything? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

St Monica's College Page[edit]

Hi all,

Just wanting to know how to make a page unable to be edited or protected. I from the Promotional team from the College who has updated the Wikipedia page. However, I have seen that people can still edit and change the updated version.

Is there anything I can do to ensure that my page remains protected?

Many thanks,

St Monica's College Promotions Team.