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I think there is a miscommunication[edit]

Hello community members, I made an edit to a newly created article about one Lukumanu Iddrisu by @Sasluk11. He is the first African, Ghanaian, and also the first graduate to be awarded alumnus of the year by Finland's Vaasa University of Applied Sciences with features in different notable newspapers and magazines including ModernGhana, Daily Graphic, News Ghana, Yen, 3News, Joy FM, GhanaWeb and more. I see the article to be notable and do not deserve deletion. See Jibodi (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Jibodi: I suggest reading the guidance at WP:YFA, and then working on a draft article where you can take time to make sure there are references showing the subject is notable. You are not the first person to try and create an article on this topic, so perhaps it is just not a fit for an encyclopedia article. RudolfRed (talk) 18:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Also note that a google search cannot be used to establish notability. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Jibodi, he is a university student and a trainee. It is too soon for a Wikipedia article about him. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Blaze The Wolf:, under Additional criteria in WP:People specifically WP:ANYBIO, there is a clear indication that the subject passes criteria 1 and 2 because;

1. He is the first ever person be it Ghanaian or African or graduate of the institution to receive "Alumnus of the Year" award. i) ii) iii)

2. He is also a recipient of the Summer Employee of the Year, a national award given by Oikotie Oy in their national responsibility summer job campaign. Kindly refer to i) ii)

@Cullen328:, regarding the entity's positive contribution to his community as a community builder and the honours he has received are sufficient for his inclusion on Wikipedia and do not matter his status as a university student nor a trainee.Sasluk11 (talk) 10:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Sasluk11: I'm afraid the WP:ANYBIO criteria you mention do not apply. "Alumnus of the year" at an individual university is not "a well-known and significant award or honor". I'm fairly sure that every university in the world that is more than a few years old has similar awards and distinctions. In this case, it is the first such honour being conferred at that particular university (so it is by definition not well-known or significant). Summer Employee of the Year at an individual company is also not a significant award. As for "a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field" (ANYBIO criterion 2), that is a very strong claim, and it is not obvious from this discussion what the claim is based on, but it doesn't look very likely that it would apply. I notice that articles about this person have been deleted before, see for instance Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lukumanu iddrisu. --bonadea contributions talk 10:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Bonadea: With regards to your view on the significance of "Alumnus of the year", I argue that such an award is the highest honor bestowed upon alumni of any higher educational institution based on certain principles — often personality and positive impact. Hence, such an award or honour is significant and it does not matter whether it is first time or not; well-known or less known. The significance of the honour is what matters.
Secondly, the award for the "Summer Employee of the Year" is a national award and it is not an award won at an individual company. It is well-known and significant. Kindly refer to the link in the previous argument. Indeed a previous article about the subject have been deleted as quoted. However, this achievements of his at this time merits an article. Sasluk11 (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
OK, an award from an individual company rather than at it. (You did not mention what kind of company Oikotie Oy is, so I had to look it up). It is still not a claim to notability such that WP:ANYBIO is met, and neither is an alumnus of the year award since, again, many thousands of people get such a distinction every year. If you disagree with that assessment, you can start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people). Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Bonadea: If you had look as you claim, you would have realized how significant the award is; if only you looked carefully. Simply put, the national responsibility summer job campaign is a national competition in Finland comprising of over 500 companies which awards the best summer employers. In addition, the "Summer Employee of the Year" is awarded in this competition. Hence, it is astounding to claim that the "Summer Employee of the Year" award is not worth notability when the works of the recipient (of the award) has gone through rigorous process with other nominees nationwide. It can still be argued that such a honour is significant and is in line with WP:ANYBIO (criteria 1). Here is a link for your perusal: Sasluk11 (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If it is a significant award, there will be multiple independent and reliable sources talking about it in depth (see this explanation). In the posts above there are sources from the company where Iddrisu worked when he received the award, and from the awarding company ( is a website run by Oikotie). I understand what the competition is and do not for a second doubt that Iddrisu deserved to win it, or that it is a tough contest to win. That is not the same thing as it being notable. Not being notable according to Wikipedia's peculiar definition of notability is not a slur on a person (or on an award). --bonadea contributions talk 17:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

WikiMedia Voting[edit]

Dear Team,

What does it take to become eligible to vote, how come I am not allowed to even vote? IndianVenture (talk) 17:25, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@IndianVenture: Hello, welcome to the teahouse! What are you interested in voting in? A lot of things (like deletion discussions, requests for adminship, requests for comment) have no eligibility criteria but it would be a good idea to get familiar with Wikimedia policy before participating. Some things (like arbitration committee elections, board elections) have activity and account age requirements, you'll have to check the pages for each election. (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]
FTR, IPs can't !vote in RFAs; they can comment though. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@IndianVenture, welcome to Wikipedia! Can you link to what you'd like to "vote" in? Actual votes are quite rare around here, though we have discussions that looks fairly similar. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank you, it was a poll appearing on top of the wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by IndianVenture (talkcontribs) 02:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

m:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections, most likely; eligibility requirements are at m:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Set_Up_Process#Election_process, @IndianVenture. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Draft:Indian Railway Signalling[edit]

i submitted the draft of this article. It was declined for the reasons of insufficient secondary sources and encyclopedic language. i worked on the article and included enough secondary sources and also improved the quality as desired and submitted it again. But again the article was declined on similar grounds which according to me were already complied. i replied to the reviewer giving full explanation, but received a reply form some other reviewer that the particular reviewer is blocked so he can not reply. Here is what i replied to the blocked reviewer:

""Draft Indian Railways Signalling page Dear Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla,

i wish to submit that the draft was modified by me to include, reliable independent secondary sources which have significant coverage of the subject. Here are the details of each of the references: Ref 1: This is from a reliable newspaper. This was already accepted by the previous reviewer as a reliable secondary source. Ref 2: This is from the daily newspaper Hindu which is reliable and secondary source and the article has significant coverage of the subject. Ref 3: This is an article by the website Network Rail, which a UK based company, and hence it is a secondary source and it has significant coverage of the subject. Ref 4: This is a USA based journal. Author is also from USA. Hence it is independent secondary source as far as Indian railways is concerned. It has significant coverage of the subject of railway signalling. Ref 5: This article is by an independent website "". The magazine covers construction business from projects policies and people to topical concerns, trends and technology. This is an independent secondary source carrying this complete article on cab signalling on Indian railways. Ref 6: This article is by the global company Ericsson, well known in the field of ICT. Hence a secondary source. The whole article is about modernization of Indian railway signalling. Ref 7: This article is on the site IBEF, which is a knowledge centre for global interests, international policy makers and world media. It carries information about Indian railway industry in general and not about Indian railway signalling. It has been use as a source of general information about Indian railways, which was considered important in the context of the article. Ref 8: This ref is from the daily "Financial Express", which is a reliable secondary source and has significant coverage about the subject.

In view the above clarifications kindly reconsider for publishing or please guide me further. Thanks ans regards. LoveAll (talk). 11:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Loveallwiki, Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla has been blocked and thus can't answer your question. If you need help, I recommend visiting the Teahouse, where experienced editors can assist you. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)""

As explained above, with the desired improvements carried out, i wish to resubmit the article for approval. Kindly guide and help me.LoveAll (talk). 05:59, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Loveallwiki. You can resubmit the draft by picking the button that says "Resubmit". There is no point in discussing it here. (I for one have not read the paragraph above: either the reveiwers will agree that the references will stand on their own, or they won't - your discussion of them serves no purpose). --ColinFine (talk) 09:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Between the first Declined and the Second Declined, you made major efforts to improve the draft. Continue that process before resubmitting. Persevere. David notMD (talk) 10:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
In my opinion, the current revision might still have residual issues of formatting, but the sourcing is well above the bar to publish a new article. The same can be said about the revision of the last decline, whose reviewer has since been banned for sockpuppetry (related to AfC among other things).
I might be out of touch with how AfC operates, but I was under the impression that the criterion for promotion is "more likely than not to survive AfD", and I think the current draft would almost certainly survive AfD, so immediate resubmission would be justified in my opinion. This looks as an extreme example of the hysteresis in the article life cycle, where creating a new article requires the writer to carry the burden of proof that notability is there, whereas deleting an existing article requires the proposer to prove the opposite. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 17:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm really happy to see this article under construction. Indian railways are hugely important; if any country is notable for its railway system, it's India. This article will, in the end, have to tie in with existing articles, such as Indian_Railways which already has a section on signalling. Ideally the new article should contain significantly more detailed information than the general article, which can then have a main-article section hat-note pointing to the new article. I hope that rail enthusiasts will flock to the new article with extra information about the complex links between the UK's rail system, and that of India, for example (our histories are inextricably entwined), and about the technologies that have been used over the last 100+ years. But you'll have to be careful with some of those references; embarrassingly, the Hindustan times reference (which is otherwise a wealth of useful information) has multiple mentions of events in the 19th C where I think it means the 1900's. I'm pretty sure power signalling was not developed in the early 19th Century, which would mean 1800-1830! Good luck with this useful article; thank you for your efforts. Elemimele (talk) 16:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Character Images[edit]

How and where did people get images of animated characters from movies for example how did they get the picture for Simba or Woody. (I’m looking for an image of Mr. Potato Head) Kaleeb18 (talk) 18:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Likely from stills of those movies or (more likely) from media presskits. We can only use such images under a valid fair use claim. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Kaleeb18. If you take a look at the image file page, File:Simba ( Disney character - adult).png, you can find out about the source and read the fair use rationale. The policy language is at WP:NFCI. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks @Cullen328: but when I click on the source it came from it just says page not available every time with sheriff woody picture it take me somewhere but I cannot find that exact picture. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;"Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Kaleeb18: If you go to the Sheriff Woody article, click once on the image, and then click the More details button, you'll end up at File:Sheriff Woody.png, which shows the URL source of the image. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) GoingBatty (talk) 20:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
yes @GoingBatty: but when you click on the source of the picture where in the world did they get it from that website? I scroll through all the pictures on that website source and I don’t see that one of woody at all. Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Kaleeb18, maybe those websites have changed since the images were uploaded. If the fair use rationales are valid, that is the most important thing. The best place to find an image for fair use is a website closely affiliated with the character. In the case of Mr. Potato Head, that would be Hasbro. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Cullen328 oh ok that makes sense. i was talking about the disney character Mr. Potato Head btw forgot to mention that. i also found that his character is in the hasbro toy mr potato head so i will not be making an article on him lol. Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Drafitiying Page[edit]

I observed many editors are sending page to draft which I am not sure if is appropriate or not. Can we draftify pages on which notability, COI tag is there? but the page is on Wikipedia for decades or years. Also, is there any specific timeline after which we can't draftify? Sonofstar (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Sonofstar: Welcome to the Teahouse. To the best of my knowledge, there is no deadline for draftifying, and it is done if the article isn't meeting mainspace standards but has the potential to. WP:DRAFTIFY has more info. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
[Edit Conflict] The answers are yes and no, respectively.
Draftifying an existing Article will often involve a degree of personal judgement, but the BRD process is there to iron out disagreements: if you disagree with an action, go to the actioner's talk page and discuss it; if you strongly disagree, revert it and then discuss.
Wikipedia's standards were not set in stone from day one, they have been rising over the years, so many articles created a long time ago do not meet today's standards and should rightly be improved: draftifying an article is merely one way of initiating that process. Some old articles may not have been looked at by an experienced editor at and since their creation (article creation is more strictly vetted now), so there is no "statute of limitations" on draftifying or other actions. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Hello @Sonofstar, technically speaking any article can be drafitified, but should you draftify an article that has been on mainspace for “decades/years” Then no, because it would be considered controversial rather you nominate it for deletion. Celestina007 (talk) 23:58, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
As a practice, I see articles draftified if recent, especially if the creating editor bypassed AfC. For older articles, the creating editor may be long gone. David notMD (talk) 00:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank You Everyone for your valuable time. Sonofstar (talk) 06:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I'm very worried that I'm blocked in the Chinese-language Wikipedia for a long time while my experience in the Chinese-language Wikipedia is totally different from other-language Wikipedia[edit]

Hello. I would like to ask you for making me much easier:

I just got blocked in the Chinese-language Wikipedia, but not the other, while my experience in the Chinese-language Wikipedia was indeed different and not the same as other-language Wikipedia. I'm too worried that I'm being blocked in the Chinese-language Wikipedia for a long time. So, could you please bring me the link to the questions in the Chinese-language Wikipedia, or just discuss with the Chinese-language Wikipedia to unblock me by understanding that all of my experiences in the Chinese-language Wikipedia was totally different from other-language Wikipedia? In fact, my experience in the Chinese-language Wikipedia was totally different with pages relating to upazila, etc. I'm indeed too scared.

Thank you. 548asiaslavia (talk) 18:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@548asiaslavia: Welcome to the Teahouse! We cannot assist with blocks on other Wikipedias. You'll have to follow the instructions at the Chinese Wikipedia to discuss this issue. GoingBatty (talk) 18:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, 548asiaslavia. The Teahouse is for editing help on the English Wikipedia. Your user talk page on the Chinese Wikipedia should have instructions for appealing your block there. Major developments on the Chinese Wikipedia are the result of actions taken by the Wikimedia Foundation. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
For more information, see Chinese Wikipedia#2021 Wikimedia action. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:00, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Looking at your global account and the userpage at the simplified Chinese wikipedia, it seems you were blocked there as confirmed sock-puppet account. I would advise using your original account, zh:User: Adam Asrul, and posting an unblock request on your user talk page there, making it clear that you understand the reasons why you were blocked and the step you have taken to learn from it. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 18:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@548asiaslavia: You have asked this before, and the answer is the same. Each Wikipedia project is run seperately, and we at the English Wikipedia cannot help you with other Wikipedias. Please stop asking. RudolfRed (talk) 19:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Indef blocked at English wikipedia for sockpuppetry. David notMD (talk) 00:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, I blocked this editor when I looked a bit more closely and discovered that they had a history of extensive sockpuppetry on several language Wikipedias including English. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Unofficial Help for Foreign Wikipedias[edit]

We, the English Wikipedia community, get a lot of requests for help in other WMF projects, especially foreign Wikipedias, also Commons. I have started a suggestion at Idea Lab to have a Help Center that provides (unofficial) information about how to request help on other Wikipedias for those Wikipedias. This would simply provide a copy in English on the English Wikipedia of the official help on how to resolve problems, requests unblocks, whatever, on foreign Wikipedias. It's an Idea Lab idea. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

i need help with two stub articles that I made about rivers in 2 colombian departments.[edit]

 Dedwell243 (talk) 19:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Dedwell243: Welcome to the Teahouse! Help:Your first article has a wealth of information for you. Do you have a specific question about these drafts? GoingBatty (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Simple Wikipedia porting[edit]

I found a red link to France Kralji in,_Dobrepolje, but France has a Simple English Wikipedia page here. Is it acceptable to port over that article into regular English wikipedia with some minor alterations? Apologies if this is not a proper use of this forum, I am very new here. Deckocard21 (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Deckocard21: Welcome to the Teahouse! I think the instructions at Wikipedia:Translation would apply to the Simple Wikipedia as well. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Deckocard21. Here is some information about him and his brother that could be added. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I note that GoingBatty has added a useful template that puts the link to Simple into the article, so there's no urgency for you to create the en version, Deckocard21. I suggest you use the WP:Afc process to create the draft, since you are a new editor and because the standards for notability of Kralji here may be more stringent than at Simple. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Ref problem searching[edit]

Every now and then, I search up "ref name" and then go to advanced settings and fill the "Exactly this text" option with "ref name", I do this to fix occasional reference problems, and uncaught vandalism. On one of these searches, I noticed the article Pierre, South Dakota comes up as a result. However when I go to the article, I can't seem to find the reference problem, in the sample text it says "late spring and summer, and totals about 20 inches (508 mm) annually.,ref name=NCEI/> Extremes have ranged from −35 °F (−37 °C) on February 9, 1994 to" however when I go to the article, that sentence seems to be fine, showing inline citation to reference 14. When I first found this, I thought it was because the system needed time to register recent changes, but now it's been over a day, and the result is still there. How come it is like that? Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 02:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC) RandomEditorAAA (talk) 02:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  • The source code of the page (as of this writing) is and totals about {{convert|20|in|0}} annually.<ref name=NCEI/> . I can confirm that using this search, the page shows up with the OP’s problem (it shows up as if the "ref name" was in the text, and with a weird comma replacing the opening <). I have of course no idea what is causing it. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The error was fixed (replacing the comma by a left bracket) by Ssbbplayer a day and a half ago, RandomEditorAAA. I think you must have a caching issue. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Trouble inserting links[edit]

Hi, there seems to have been a change to the software for inserting links, and it's no longer working for me. It used to be that if I wanted to link to a sub-part in an article, I would highlight the phrase in my draft that I wanted to link. Then I would hit the "link" button in the editing box and insert the url for that sub-part and click "insert". The software would then give a message about that being an external link, and did I want to make it an internal link? I would click "internal link" and it would insert it as an internal link. Now, when I get to that stage and click "internal link", nothing happens. It doesn't insert any link at all. Am I doing something wrong? has the software for inserting links changed? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I'm not sure what you're experiencing, but manually wikilinking to sections within pages still works: When editing the wikitext source, [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Trouble inserting links|linktext]] generates linktext. If you're using the Wikipedia:VisualEditor, highlighting a word, hitting the link button on the toolbar, and pasting into the "Add a link" box (within the "Wikipedia" tab, not "External site") automatically abbreviates to the internal wikilink form (alternatively, enter into the box WP:Teahouse#Trouble inserting links), and you can just hit "Done" to make a wikilink. You seem to be quite an experienced editor, but for general questions, H:WIKILINK is the first reference. – Anon423 (talk) 09:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Vanishing Wikipedia citation tool[edit]

I used to be a heavy user of the for google books. It no longer seems to work. Has it been replaced, can anyone tell me please, and if so, by what? It was a real labour saver. JonRichfield (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@JonRichfield: Welcome to the Teahouse! There are alternatives mentioned at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 192#Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books and Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests#restore the Wikipedia Citation Tool for Google Books. You can also try Wikipedia:Citation expander or Wikipedia:Reflinks or Wikipedia:ReFill. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Many thanks! I'll give those a try! JonRichfield (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@JonRichfield You can try User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/generatedoi. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]


Is it ok to use this method:

Markup Renders as
  • 123

instead of this:

Markup Renders as
* 123
  • 123

The difference is the space between the asterisk and the number. Ctrlwiki (talk) 06:25, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

As a note, it appears your {{Markup}} templates are broken. Did you mean...
No space
Markup Renders as
  • lorem
  • ipsum
With space
Markup Renders as
 * lorem
 * ipsum
  • lorem
  • ipsum
But anyhow, it appears that the space makes no difference to the rendered page, so it doesn't really hurt anything. There seems to be no proscription against it, but I personally have a preference for the space as seen on Help:List and MOS:BULLETLIST, which I would follow just for the sake of consistency. – Anon423 (talk) 10:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Finding URLs to cite[edit]

How to find URLs to cite? I don't know what to cite. Can you help? TylerMagee (talk) 09:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The consideration is usually who or what organization is behind the source cited. The primary guideline is at Wikipedia:Reliable sources. – Anon423 (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@TylerMagee In general, not blogs, wikis, social media, online bookstores, selfpublished stuff etc. There is a list of sources that has been repetedly discussed/questioned at WP:RSP, that may give you an idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Draft:Monika Lubonja[edit]

(Section heading added by Anon423)

Can you review my draft please? Likurgu (talk) 10:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Monika Lubonja As with any draft, give it some time. There is a long backlog of drafts, and all reviewers are volunteers. It can take months for someone to get around to it. You can help reviewers by making sure you have good WP:Reliable, WP:Independent sources that establish WP:Notability, perhaps listing the three best references on the talk page.
"Improving your odds of a speedy review" (click [show]) within the yellow Articles for Creation "Review waiting" banner) also suggests adding WikiProject tags to your draft. – Anon423 (talk) 11:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi @Likurgu. I think your draft is already accepted Talk:Matilda_Makoçi by a reviewer named Eternal Shadow. But I'm not sure why it is both in main and draft space. Eevee01(talk) 11:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I beg to differ. Appears Likurgu created two drafts, about different women, one of which has been accepted as an article. Hence, Draft:Monika Lubonja and Matilda_Makoçi. The confusion was because they are both Albanian actresses, born days apart. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@David notMD My bad! Thanks for pointing that out. Eevee01(talk) 12:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Likurgu: While you're waiting for a review, you can expand your references: make sure each reference has a |work= or |website= or |publisher= reference, and that the non-English references have |trans-title= and |language=. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]



i would like to know what else coverage or improvement would be needed in order to create this article ( as the topic has a huge coverage on youtube with videos with multiple millions of views and also outside coverage indexed by google.

Thanks for reviewing Lejib63111 (talk) 11:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

If Multicube was a server, why does the first mention of it in the draft call it "The MultiCube Network"? Maproom (talk) 11:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Maproom It was a hub server which was connected to all of there game servers in a network, which it would then technically make it a server network. Like Mineplex Hypixel. Hope this makes sense. Lejib63111 (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Lejib63111. I'm afraid that a huge coverage on youtube with videos with multiple millions of views and also outside coverage indexed by google is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia. Anybody can put anything they like on YouTube, and anybody can throw up a website and get it indexed by Google. A core policy of Wikipedia, verifiability, says that everything in a Wikipedia article must be backed up by a reliable published source, and mostly by sources unconnected with the subject of the article. YouTube does host some reliable sources - the official channels of major news publishers, for example - but the majority of material there is not reliably published, and may not be cited. On a quick look, the only one of your references which even might contribute to establishing notability is the Gearcraft one: I haven't investigated to see whether that looks like a reliable source. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You need to find several examples of that, or your draft has no hope of being accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@ColinFine Thanks for your answer and for pointing this out! I've managed to get some more sources also by some books that published covered information regarding this. I hope that this still will get noticed as all people that played the game during that time will remember this server as youtube was fully covered by minecraft videos from this server at that time. Just by searching Super Jump or Syndicate Games YouTube is full of this, but if this doesn't count as a valid reference this would be a shame. I still hope that there will be any way, this would be sufficient enough to be created. Lejib63111 (talk) 17:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Heading editing[edit]

Hallo , I wish to edit my Heading, how do i go about it? ChabbieCee (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@ChabbieCee If you mean the title of an article, see WP:MOVE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How to add a page to category?[edit]

One of the anonymous editors made a test edit that adds the page to category and remove from category on Wildlife of Karnataka and reverted it back but they accidentally left the word "January" lowercase "january". I removed it from "Use dmy dates from january 2020" but I don't know how to add a page to a category. The category I want the page to be added to is "Use dmy dates from January 2020". RainbowLover334148 (talk) 12:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

You should be able to add an article to a category just by adding [[Category:...]] to the bottom of the article – see H:CAT.
Sorry, in this case you should use the template {{Use dmy dates|date=October 2021}}.
ClaudineChionh (talk) 12:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
But I changed from "january 2020" to "January 2020", it doesn't add it back to the category called "Use dmy dates from January 2020. RainbowLover334148 (talk) 12:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The dmy/mdy-usage templates add the article to a hidden category, e.g. Category:Use_dmy_dates_from_January_2020. These are intentionally not shown to you in the article, unless you decide to switch on "Show hidden categories" in your preferences. – NJD-DE (talk) 12:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Ivan Law AKA Ivan The Great has officially solves the Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls Murders[edit]

The Murders of Tupac Shakur and Cristopher Biggie Smalls Wallce has been solved. The new Detectives are Detective Daryn Dupree LAPD Robbery Homicide and in Las Vegas the Detective is Cold case Detective Long. the new suspects are Oshe Ice Cube Jackson, Andre Dr Dre Young. I am Ivan Law artist name Ivan The Great I am responsible for solving the Tupac and Biggie murders. Lieutenant Thompson added my name to the Biggie homicide file. the case is solved. the rewards are claimed by Ivan Law pending arrest and conviction of Dr Dre and Ice cube. wikies has several of the cover up story article on the site. they are blaming Suge knight, Orlando baby Anderson and Darnel Poochie Bolten. however, the new Detective are going after Dr Dre and Ice cube. how do I include the recent investigation and the new detectives in an article on wikies platform? this is an import article Ivan Laws theory and the fact that he has solved the case has been published Who Killed Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls murder Case Officially solved by Ivan Law Ivan Law is an American Rapper most notable contributions to our society are the solving of the Tupac Shakur and Biggie Murders Ivan is the artist that dubbed the lakers purple and gold. Ivan coined the phrase 24/7 and drop the beat in his 1986 demo. Ivan law is the true pioneer of beat making. that truth is what led to Ivan Law being able to solve the decade olde mystery of what happen to Tupac Shakur and biggie Smalls. the article needs to be written by a professional article about Ivan Law aka Ivan the Great monster beats. the article should be written because they are the truth concerning the murders of Tupac Shakur and Biggie smalls. Ivan The Great Monster Beats (talk) 14:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Yes, those are indeed words... - RichT|C|E-Mail 15:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Ivan The Great Monster Beats, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have something you wish to add to our article Tupac Shakur, it's best to post on the talk page Talk:Tupac Shakur, specifying exactly what change you are suggesting. Note that unless you can cite an independent reliable source - one with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control - for the information you want to add, your suggestion is unlikely to be taken up. A citation to an article written by you is not enough - Wikipedia does not publish original research. --ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Help with getting approval for a draft article with reliable external references[edit]

I realize I have excessive citations in the article, I will be fixing that now. I am more puzzled by why the references are not considered "in depth" for the subject, since the papers and articles that cite works from this subject clearly use this subject's expertise and works to build upon It would be odd to have an academic paper rely on and cite a work, and then start talking in depth about the author of that work, unless that would be directly relevant to a specific paper about such subjects. So I'm a bit stumped on this one, it seems like there are many external verifiable references to this subject's work.

OP: I'm having trouble with this draft article, which has reliable external references, which I believe adhere to Wikipedia's verifiability standards, but the review declined the draft from being published. What am I missing? Thank you so much. kosarjaff (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

kosarjaff, to establish that El-Ghonemy is notable enough to warrant a WIkipedia article about him, someone will have to cite at least three reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of him. Which three of the 20 sources currently cited in the draft do you believe best meet those criteria? Maproom (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Looking into this now... thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kosarjaff (talkcontribs) 17:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Maproom, Would you kindly take a look at the latest draft to see if that is a better way to cite this subject? Thanks.

How do i Enable Visual Editor?[edit]

I need some help trying to find Visual Editor Thegibuspyro (talk) 15:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC) []

Hi @Thegibuspyro: and welcome to the Teahouse. To switch to visual editing, open up the source editing page as usual-- in the top right corner of the editing screen, there's a picture of a pencil. Click on that and you'll be able to switch back and fourth between the modes. Happy editing! Helen(💬📖) 16:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Thegibuspyro (talk) 16:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC) Thanks![]

Request for change of info in Afghanistan article[edit]

IN the article about Afganistan, The government's head Hibatullah Akhundzada is confirmed to be dead by senior taliban officials, so extended confirmed editors please change it immediately.[1][2] NOTE: News18 is a independent news body is owned by Network 18 and is a part of CNN InternationalPartha Basak 16:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The place for edit requests is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]


  1. ^ "EXCLUSIVE | Taliban Confirm Chief Hibatullah Akhundzada Died in Suicide Attack by Pak Forces Last Year". News18. 16 October 2021. Retrieved 16 October 2021.
  2. ^ "What Happened To Top Taliban Leaders? Baradar Held Hostage, Akhundzada Killed, Says Report". IndiaTimes. 21 September 2021. Retrieved 16 October 2021.


Hello Wiki warriors, I came across a line in Segmentation (biology) that seems to be more of an opinion than a fact. "Segmentation is a difficult process to satisfactorily define." How would you go about addressing something like this so that it is more in line with Wiki's guidelines? Please advise, thank you.TJM11 (talk) 17:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC) TJM11 (talk) 17:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@TJM11: I looked up the source at the end of the paragraph, and it sources that first statement. I didn't read the entire paper, but it's possible that it refers to the example subsequently given. Hopefully others with access can review to confirm. For article specific questions like this, you can always post on the article's talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

changing the spansih wiki name of the article "Cancer edwardsii"[edit]

changing names through moving, redirect, or other method?

Hello. I would like to suggest a name change on the Spanish wiki article "Cancer edwardsii" to "Metacarcinus edwardsii" so that it can also be linked with other languages of the same article. Though, I am fairly new to this kind of changes, which is wh I would like to know your suggestions in regards to this. Thanks for reading. Crescentwuju (talk) 17:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

 Mariaboas (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

A move request for an article on the Spanish wikipedia would need to be made on the Spanish wikipedia; however, if you simply want to use interwiki links to point to this article across other languages, their titles do not need to match--Help:Interlanguage links should provide some assistance here. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 17:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Mariaboas (talk) May I know under which section I should find the assistance that I am looking for, if I want just want to create an interwiki link between the two? I get the error "the page is already in used" and wiki suggests me to merge it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crescentwuju (talkcontribs) 22:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello, Mariaboas. There were two separate entries in Wikidata, d:Q13846584 (Metacarcinus Edwardii) and d:Q20855658 (Cancer Edwardii): the es article was linked to the latter and the en, nl, cb articles to the former. Since the terms are synonymous according to the es article, there is no problem with simply merging the two entries, so that's what I have done (by picking "More -> Merge" on one of them).  Done --ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

page protection[edit]

My page 'Route to Paradise' was vandalised four days ago and I have had to remove the edits. Is there a way to request having the page protected or having some form of protection? As it is a film about the Holocaust I assume it was done by a far-right group. Donutsmash (talk) 18:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello, Donutsmash. An administrator has semi-protected the article for three weeks. Things like this should be reported to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:27, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi Donutsmash, I read the article and a lot of the content is not properly sourced. It appears the Wikipedia article has more details than any of the referenced sources. Because of this and your very narrow edit focus, I have the impression a connection between you and the article subject exists. If this is the case, please have a look at the conflict of interest guideline and take the necessary steps of disclosure. Thanks. – NJD-DE (talk) 20:30, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Article about a referred blogging site[edit]

Hi, I want to write an article about a notable Urdu language citizen journalism digital magazine It is referred in about half a dozen wiki articles but has no wiki article as yet of its own.

But it seems that someone previously deleted an article about it. Is it worth trying to write about it? Or would it be a wasted effort?

How can I be sure that it would be accepted? I have written a few blogs for that magazine but this would not be a paid wiki article. 

Khazina 2400:ADC5:127:E600:3455:FFEC:345A:6C63 (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello IP editor. Thank you for asking this question. Whilst I do not speak Urdu, my impression is that is a news forum site, taking blog-type posts from numerous sources. Being a news outlet does not, in itself, make an organisation Notable in Wikipedia's view. What counts is whether the world at large has taken note and written about that particular organisation in some detail and depth, and in an independent manner. In reality, this would mean that humsub has featured as the subject in articles carried by other news outlets or publications with editorial independence. My feeling is that this is unlikely to be the case here (though I cannot say for certain). Whilst a small number of notable people may have contributed posts to that news outlet, that fact does not, in itself, itself make that news outlet notable. Thus, I would advise against trying to write an article unless you are really confident you can cite at least three independent sources which have written in some detail about the work and activities of humsub as an organisation. Those sources need not be in English, but they do need to be RELIABLE in their own right, and contribute to meeting WP:NCORP - a shortcut link to our criteria on businesses which meet our notability criteria. If those sources don't exist, then no article on exist here on Wikipedia. I hope this reply helps you decide what's most appropriate to do. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Welcome to the Teahouse! You might also be interested in reading Wikipedia:Notability (web), specifically the "Criteria" section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Does Wikipedia have something like 'Template:Infobox disputed territories'?[edit]

Does Wikipedia have an infobox template for disputed territories (like the one meant for disputed islands)? If yes, can someone provide the URL for that template? Rockcodder (talk) 18:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Rockcodder: There was one, but it was unused and then it was deleted. You can see the discussion here: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_11#Template:Infobox_disputed_territory RudolfRed (talk) 01:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@RudolfRed: Would it be inappropriate to use Template:Infobox disputed islands to represent disputed regions which are not islands, reefs, atolls etc? Rockcodder (talk) 03:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

self promotion and publication on Wikipedia[edit]

How can I submit information on self to be included on Wikipedia? 2601:140:9180:D10:D4A2:C883:1994:D9D (talk) 20:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello. Self-promotion is not permitted on Wikipedia. See also WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Declined article[edit]

Good evening sir or madam, i have been trying to get an article published for weeks now and i keep receiving different reasons for its refusal. The latest one being about my referencing. I have made a few changes but still not sure that is why i am here to get help. Please how can i get my article published. EsipoWiki (talk) 20:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Edo State Investment Promotion Office   Maproom (talk) 21:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Writing about bands: Draft:Master Dy[edit]

Hi guys, how are you? I'm new here so I'm sorry if I ask silly questions, I've read a lot about the community but maybe I didn't understand everything well, when I was a kid (Not so long ago I'm 19 now) I used the site to do jobs from school under the influence of my sister and friends, so it became a dream for me to become an editor here, now that I entered college I decided to dedicate myself to writing here because my college is about music so I believe that one thing can influence the other. I decided to start by writing about bands that I like to listen to and admire, and that have people with interesting stories inserted as members, my band chosen to start was Master Dy because it is an immigrant who after she trying to commit suicide in Europe, she create the band that is winning a lot of notoriety, well I followed the band right after this year's release and saw them grow rapidly, the numbers, the quality of the music and many other things set them apart from the rest, yes they are still far from reaching stardom like Iron Maiden hahaha but the story of resilience and exponential growth makes it a remarkable subject, I've been researching the opinion of some people both in my circle of friends and people who listen to the band and I questioned if they thought it coherent for me to start writing about this band on wikipedia, there were few people to be exact 23, and 19 of them said it seemed fair to start with this topic, I know this number I interviewed is small it was a the personal research and it doesn't even compare with the wikipedia public, I would like to know what are the best steps for my content to be approved, which sites can I enter exactly and which would be considered valid? I can't understand this part, because there are exclusive Metal sites that weren't accepted in my article, can anyone help this silly Brazilian here? Article Thony-Ferro (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Thony-Ferro: these 19 friends who encouraged you, had any of them read Wikipedia's policy on notability?   Maproom (talk) 21:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thony-Ferro The best advice I can give here is to have a look at WP:A/S, this is a list of reliable sources vetted by the music-based wikiprojects here. If you can find material on any of these websites discussing this band, then that will greatly help demonstrate notability. Spend some time searching through those sources for what you want to write about and see if it helps. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 22:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thony-Ferro, you have an immense amount of work to do. Here's just one sentence: The project that was to be called Dy Moob and be turned to viking metal changed its name [I infer that here you're talking about a single person who you elsewhere refer to as "she". Why "it" here?] to Master Dy[2] after being stricken by a crisis of borderline disorder[3] [Placement of a reference here implies that the reference gives evidence that she (or "it") was stricken with a "borderline disorder". However, the page this links to says no such thing.] and having tried against its own life. [I suppose this means "attempted suicide" but I'm not sure.] -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Thony-Ferro. Welcome to Wikipedia, and to the Teahouse. It's great that you're enthusiastic and went to contribute; but can I suggest that creating new articles is not the only, or necessarily the best, way to contribute? I remember when I started as an editor more than fifteen years ago, desperately looking for a topic to write an article on and make my mark. In the end, I have only ever created about a dozen, among nearly 20 000 edits. Consider: we have six million articles, many of them dreadful, and in need of improvement. Most times that a relatively new editor tries to create an article, they end up having a miserable and frustrating time; and if you consider the time and effort that experienced editors spend in trying to guide them, they arguably end up putting a negative amount of value into Wikipedia at that point - whereas if they started by finding existing articles that interested them and need some work, they might be adding value straight away.
You are a little bit in the position of somebody saying "I've done some woodwork at school, and now I want to be a builder. I've got an idea for a house, and I'm going to build it!" Most people would say that perhaps you should spend a few years learning the trade before you take on something so big that you probably don't even know what the matters are that you are going to have to deal with. Writing a Wikipedia article is a bit like that. OK, it's not quite as big as building a house, and you don't need years of learning the trade; but I would suggest a few months at least, while you learn how to survey the site (determine whether the subject is notable) and build the foundations (find the reliable sources that are an absolute requirement. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 09:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Need an admin or other rollbackers with high experience[edit]

I have a question, I was granted a rollback feature a while ago, then an admin message me that I can only use this rollback for obvious vandalisms. What if an editor gave an information in an article, but with no source, can I rollback it? Ctrlwiki (talk) 00:21, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

No, not unless the edit is also clearly vandalism. For example, an unsourced edit may be incorrect but made in good faith, or actually correct. Neither of those cases is vandalism. Meters (talk) 00:31, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
See WP:ROLLBACKUSE Meters (talk) 00:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Ctrlwiki, you need to be very careful about your use of rollback. It is limited to unambiguously problematic edits like vandalism. I am an administrator and rarely use rollback because edit summaries are important. If you misuse rollback you may lose that right. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Don't worry, I read the guidelines so I will use it in obvious vandal. How about twinkle? Can I use that to revert an edit of a user because he didn't provide any sources? Ctrlwiki (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You can use the specific functions of Twinkle that allow you to insert an edit summary explaining the reversion, as long as you actually do provide that edit summary. Otherwise, reverting with Twinkle is essentially the same as using rollback. Writ Keeper  00:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
But you didn't answer me, my question is, if an editor added an information in an article without sources, can I use twinkle to revert it instead of using rollback (because rollback is for vandalisms only)? Ctrlwiki (talk) 02:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Writ Keeper did answer you. You can use Twinkle to revert non-vandalism as long as you provide an edit summary explaining why you undid the edit. You are not allowed to use Twinkle to revert non-vandalism without giving a reason in an edit summary. Meters (talk) 03:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Ctrlwiki, you seem to be fixated on rapidly removing unreferenced content. This is a problem because this is a project to build an encyclopedia, not to tear it down. This is not a massive video game. We value quality over quantity. Obviously, you need to remove highly implausible content. But do not remove plausible unreferenced content without doing some work. Does a reference elsewhere in the article verify the content? If so, use the WP:REFNAME function to re-use the reference for that assertion. Formulate a competent Google or Google Books or Google Scholar search to see if you can find a reliable source, and if you find it, add it to the article. If the content seems plausible but you are not able to easily find a source, add a Template: Citation needed tag. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Ok, got it! Thanks for answering. My last question is how to install Twinkle on touchscreen devices like mine? Ctrlwiki (talk) 05:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
See WP:Twinkle, Crtlwiki. Twinkle is written in Javascript, so you must be using a browser that supports Javascript. --ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How to view/edit my Wikipedia account information[edit]

I opened my Wikipedia account several years ago, and I would like to review my account information now to verify that it is still current, and to update anything that is not. My searches for an explanation of how do do this were unsuccessful, so perhaps I just need a reference to a help article that explains this (and perhaps a reference to an article that explains how to better search help topics).

If this is not an appropriate place for this question, then I would very much appreciate some guidance for more appositively redirecting it.

Thank You, Shadetree Sam (talk) 00:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Have you found your way into "Preferences", RalphPerry? If not, then this is where you should look. If you have questions about what you see (or don't see) there, feel free to ask them. Incidentally, it would be considerate to your fellow editors if you'd either change your signature so that it reads "RalphPerry" or change your username to something you'd like to see in your signature. -- Hoary (talk) 00:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, RalphPerry. Click "Contributions" at the very top of a page and yout will see the page called "User contributions for RalphPerry". There are a variety of links at both the top and the very bottom of that page that will take you to lots of information about your account. The link called "Edit count", for example, has very detailed statistics about your editing, including lists of articles, counts by month, and even analysis of time of the day and days of the week that you edit. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@RalphPerry, to answer your other question, I usually type a best-guess keyword in the search bar with "Wikipedia:" prefix, and fumble around as Wikipedia:Navigation advises, and repeat. In this case, you wanted help with navigating help and with updating account information, so I looked for Wikipedia:Help and Wikipedia:Account. Both led me to real pages which you might have found helpful. If you scrolled down the Wikipedia:Help page, there is "Account Settings" under "Help by topic" which is what you would have been looking for. If you went to Wikipedia:Account which has a lot of useful information but not as obvious a link to what you would have been looking for, you would have had to read the whole page I think to have an idea of what the best link to next go to would be. You might have seen link to preferences there and thought to check it out. Or you may have reached the bottom and noticed the collapsed template that says "Basic Information on Wikipedia [show]" and clicked the show button. There you hopefully would have seen links to Help:Menu and Help:Directory which would be good places to start over. The directory has a link called "Account settings and maintenance" and the menu page has by far the most unmissable link called "Account settings". For completeness, if you reach the very bottom of the page without finding what you are looking for, be sure to read the categories and see if there's any which could potentially contain the page you are looking for. Hope this helps you next time. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Draft review for Sunbury Road[edit]

We have another draft for Draft:Sunbury Road, it says on my draft page: "Sunbury Road is a major (16.4 kilometre) urban arterial road in the north-western suburbs of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Sunbury Road runs northwest–southeast from Melbourne Airport to Sunbury. It's a local government area of City of Hume." Can you give us more information about my draft page? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:5D46:F263:440A:A409 (talk) 02:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(i) Please see Writing a new article for Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road. (ii) Do you intend to keep writing drafts that lack references, and hoping that other editors will somehow conjure up references for these? If so, please don't. The right procedure is first find reliable sources; then summarize what these say in your own words (scrupulously citing your reliable sources). -- Hoary (talk) 05:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
In house-building terms, what you're doing is saying: "I think some houses would be nice here. I've put the front doors up: will somebody build the houses round them?" --ColinFine (talk) 10:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How much disruptive editing/vandalism would warrant page protection?[edit]

Note: See the subsection for List of Talking Tom & Friends (TV series) episodes at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Archive/2021/10#09 October 2021 for my declined RfPP request. I have made another request here.

List of Talking Tom & Friends (TV series) episodes was initially protected after this discussion because the IP range was too wide to block (see the page history. 2603:9000:6c01:79c:xxxxxxx is the culprit). I had requested page protection again at WP:RfPP after the same address-hopping editor returned to vandalise the templates when the protection expired, and the request was declined because there was "not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection". I am requesting page protection again since I disagree with the declining admin (and the IP editor returned yesterday), but I want to know if there is any clear essay or guideline explaining how much disruptive editing/vandalism (by either IP range hoppers or multiple editors) would warrant page protection. Tube·of·Light 02:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Sir Thomas Picton[edit]

I have added some well researched information about Rosetta Smith who was Sir Thomas Picton's mistress.

This is well sourced material from the Cambridge Imperial and Post-Colonial Studies.

[12] Candlin, Kit (2012). The Last Caribbean Frontier, 1795-1815. Cambridge Imperial and Post-Colonial Studies: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 138–156. ISBN 9780230354081.

My material is systematically removed with no reasonable explanation by a number of users.

This is clearly being done for political reasons by people who want to re-write the narratives of history to fit their agenda.

Why is this happening?

~`~` Jrbsaunders (talk) 05:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Jrbsaunders, you seem oddly quick to ascribe motives to others. I suggest that you stop doing this, and that you instead bring up the matter at Talk:Thomas Picton. -- Hoary (talk) 05:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hoary, Thanks for the rather abrupt and rude response. My post has been persistently removed, so I would hardly decribe myself as "oddly quick". It's perfectly clear to me that there are specific motives for the removal of my factual post and those motives can only be political because they are certainly not based on lack of factual accuracy.

~`~` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrbsaunders (talkcontribs) 05:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Jrbsaunders, your assumption of political motives strike me as absurd. Those removing the content you added are much more likely to be concerned about Wikipedia policy than about a long-dead army officer. I see you have not tried to discuss the issue on the article's talk page. The paragraph "An insight into the type of woman she was can be gleaned from surviving business records" certainly does not belong in the article; it tells us nothing about Smith, let alone about the subject of the article. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Maproom well they've just deleted my material with no feasible explanation. One explanation I did get was that they thought it was inconstructive whatever that means; that's their opinion. No response from two editors who have simply removed my entry without discussing the matter. So I can only conclude this is being edited by people who want certain facts in history removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrbsaunders (talkcontribs)

What is perfectly clear to you, Jrbsaunders, may not be perfectly clear to others. Putting aside imaginable motives for and against, should the material be in the article or should it not? Please bring up the matter at Talk:Thomas Picton, and argue persuasively. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2021
I agree with Hoary. You have added (again) far to much information about Rosetta Smith. Initially, you did it without a reference, so deleted for lack of verification. Subsequently you had added several paragraphs about Rosetta Smith, her businesses, her children... with a reference. All this was deleted as not germane to the article. You added it again. I expect it to be deleted again. Make your case on the Talk page of the article rather than impugning the motives of the editors who disagree with you. David notMD (talk) 12:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Wikipedia page on Jayshree Seth[edit]

Hi. I created a Wikipedia page of Jayshree Seth. But this page has been kept in draft format by User:Nomadicghumakkad. Can you please tell me why this Wikipedia page of Jayshree Seth can't be kept in permanent format as she is a well established American chemical engineer and author? Thegreatestmanonearth (talk) 05:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Thegreatestmanonearth, this issue is whether Jayshree Seth is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article about her. This will be decided on the basis of whether the sources cited in the article include several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of her. Which three of the 20 sources currently cited, in your opinion, do most to fulfil those criteria? Maproom (talk) 07:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Reduced Draft:Jayshree Seth to 16 refs and a lot of subjective-type content removed from Early life and education. Of the 16 refs, make a case here and on the Talk page of the article for the validating references. Consider resubmitting. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You're going to struggle a bit. The Society of Women Engineers award might count for something, but the alumnus thing and the award from her own company are of limited value in establishing notability. Industrial scientists do struggle. The usual routes to notability as an academic include such things as winning independent awards from very meaningful societies, being the chief editor of a journal, having highly-cited, paradigm-shifting papers, and holding a named chair in a university (or, of course, doing research that attracts the attention of the wider press, and turning up in normal newspaper sources). None of these options tend to be in the career-path of an industrial scientist. Interviews don't count, and the major way in which a person like her hits the press will be in the form of interviews. Anything that looks like it was prompted by a press-release from her company will also fail to establish notability. If you struggle to find enough on her, then since her entire career seems bound up in the same company, it may be more appropriate to put some information about her in the article on 3M instead of making a stand-alone article. Elemimele (talk) 13:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]


Hello, I came across the picture in this diff. I googled the name (also reverse searched) but nothing came up. I have a suspicion that the account uploaded a pic of his mate and is having a laugh. I have asked the uploader on his talk page but haven't received a response yet. Should the picture be deleted? {{u|Abillionradios}} {Static} 05:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I think so, Abillionradios; and that's why I kicked off commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:BobbyKaiser.jpg. You are (and anyone is) free to comment there. -- Hoary (talk) 06:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Help with the Japanese Wikipedia[edit]

Sorry, but I don't know exactly where to post this since I'm quite new. I was trying to edit a page on the Japanese Wikipedia and then when I tried to save my edit, it suddenly failed to save and showed a red error pop-up message (I couldn't fully understand it) that mentioned something along the lines of long term abuse and then suddenly I couldn't edit any semi-protected pages or move any pages. Does anyone know why I had lost my ability to edit any semi-protected pages or move pages and if I am in any trouble on the Japanese Wikipedia? Please help! Jeuno (talk) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Jeuno: Welcome to the Teahouse. We can't really help with stuff on other Wikipedia projects. The help desk for the Japanese Wikipedia is here, though. You should try asking there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Tenryuu: I was going to try and post there, but then I became worried that I cannot communicate well in Japanese so I might not be able to get the message across properly. Jeuno (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
What Tenryuu says. But in the meantime: Your question suggests that you expected to be able to edit semi-protected pages, etc. I wonder why you'd expect to be able to do that, given that your only edits there appear to have been minor fiddling with your user page. Anyway, ja:特別:投稿記録/Jeuno shows that you're not blocked. -- Hoary (talk) 06:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Hoary: Ah, well thank goodness I didn't get blocked! Also, I did have autoconfirmed rights since I could edit semi-protected pages before this incident. I was editing my user page since I had a minor error so I tried to correct it but then it suddenly gave me an error message and prevented me from editing my own page so I couldn't correct the error. I also went onto semi-protected pages and couldn't edit them nor move them. Maybe the anti-vandalism bot had mistaken me for a long-term vandaliser since it mentioned WP:LTA on the error so maybe it temporarily revoked my autoconfirmed rights? I'm not really sure. Anyways, hopefully it is temporary and after a few days I should be able to edit semi-protected pages and have the right to move pages again. Jeuno (talk) 06:49, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Tenryuu and @Hoary: I have managed to find out what had exactly happened. It seemed my edit ended up getting caught up in the edit filter here and it ended up being mistaken for a disruptive edit by an LTA alt account which resulted in my autoconfirmed rights being removed. I should be able to explained what had happened to the people at the help desk on the Japanese Wikipedia and to tell them to give back my autoconfirmed rights. Thank you both for your help! Jeuno (talk) 07:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Jeuno: Japanese Wikipedia has a page at ja:Wikipedia:Help for Non-Japanese Speakers where you can ask questions in languages other than Japanese. For the most part, these appear to be questions asked in English, but other langauges might be OK as well. Japanese Wikipedia also has a much smaller number of administrators compared to English Wikipedia and many of them probably have a basic understanding of English and at least two (ja:利用者:Infinite0694 and ja:利用者:ネイ) state they understand English at a near-native level. Both of these editors have English Wikipedia pages at User:Infinite0694 and User:ネイ as well; so, they might be able to help sort things out for you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
They said that because I edited my user page too many times it automatically triggered the edit filter and prevented me from getting autoconfirmed rights. It was a normal trigger because it seems that long term abusers/sock puppeteers on the Japanese Wikipedia often edit their user or user talk page in order to gain autoconfirmed rights and then vandalise/disrupt semi-protected pages. Jeuno (talk) 10:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Using Twinkle[edit]

How to install Twinkle on touchscreen devices like mine? Ctrlwiki (talk) 06:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

hi @Ctrlwiki:! all you need to do to run twinkle is activate the relevant setting in your preferences, gadgets section, then make sure you are using the desktop webpage as twinkle doesn't run on the mobile page. it's a bit finnicky (seems like you have to hold the TW tab for a bit for it to keep the tab opened), but it works decently enough. happy editing!   melecie   t 07:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm using phone to edit, I don't have a desktop, what should I do to use Twinkle on my phone? Ctrlwiki (talk) 08:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
At the foot of the page in mobile view you'll find a "Desktop" option. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Ctrlwiki: There is also a script you can add to your common.js, which will automatically make any Wikipedia page (at English Wikipedia) that is loaded in the mobile view redirect to the desktop version. It is super helpful, because many users post links to the mobile version of pages in discussions, and if you go to a Wikipedia page through an external search engine like Google it will often default to the mobile version, if you are on your mobile. The script is found at User:Þjarkur/NeverUseMobileVersion, and you find your commons.js at Special:MyPage/common.js. (Of course, if you like the mobile view for other browsing and editing, it may be less helpful.) --bonadea contributions talk 09:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]


How can i add images to a wkipedia article? Devanjana Rajesh (talk) 06:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

hi @Devanjana Rajesh: and welcome to the teahouse! please see WP:PIC for how to upload an image in wikipedia or wikimedia commons, and WP:UPI for how to upload pictures that you have taken yourself. happy editing!   melecie   t 07:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

My page is not being published.[edit]

I am creating a page on Wikipedia named NUSTAG, A student-led automotive society. But even after 17 to 18 revisions its still being rejected saying that the notability has not been established. I have used the most authentic resources available. Also I am blamed that the content is promotional. Even Though the content I have published are just hard facts. If someone could give me explicit instructions regarding the changes I need to make to get my page published would be a great help to me. Thanks! Malik Huzaifa Saeed (talk) 07:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC) Malik Huzaifa Saeed (talk) 07:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:NUSTAG Maproom (talk) 07:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Malik Huzaifa Saeed (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something- that is considered promotional here, you don't have to be soliciting or selling something. A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Independent sources does not include things like press releases, interviews with members, announcements of routine activities, or any other materials put out by the organization. The sources you offer seem to just be telling what the organization does, not why it is notable.
If you are associated with this organization, please read about conflict of interest. Please also see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Is the first Surgeon of UAE "a notable person"[edit]

In addition he has also won a couple of awards including the UAE Pioneer Medal, presented by His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE (and also the Ruler of Dubai). He also won the Annual Health Awards in 2018 source  LostCitrationHunter (talk) 07:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello, LostCitrationHunter, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've edited your post to convert the link to an external link, instead of pointing to the Wikipedia article Source. If he meets the criteria in WP:NBIO, then he is notable. It is up to you to demonstrate that, if you want an article about him. The source you have given might be relevant, but it looks to me as if derives from Kazim, and so is not independent. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
ColinFine Thank you for your response and for converting the link to external source (the links have been acting wierd for me for a whill, but i'll ask it in another section) I am curious but can you tell why exactly you feel the source "derives from Kazim, and so is not independent." The article was written by a Staff Reporter for an Emirati News agency and so I wanted to know if theres a particular red flag here? Thanks a lot!--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 11:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi, LostCitrationHunter. Because that sort of piece is usually written from a press release put out by the awarding institution, which will in turn be based on information provided by the winner or their institution. The fact that it contains quotes from both Kazim's further compromises any independence. Non-independent sources may be used in articles, but only for limited kinds of information, and they never contribute to notability: see PRIMARY. On the links: double square brackets are internal links in Wikipedia, with the display text after a pipe ('|'), so you inserted an internal link to source, with the URL as the display text. External links are in single brackets, with the display text after a space; or if there is no display text, a URL without brackets (which is what I converted it to). --ColinFine (talk) 12:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
ColinFine Thanks for the reply once again. I'll keep that in mind the next time I use awards as a factor for Notibility. But in this case I think the first part of your response shouldn't be a problem, since the awarding institution is the Dubai Health Authority (which is the de-facto Health ministry of the Dubai) and hence a national-level award. You were also right, the news site probably took details from the Press release of the health ministry. Also if a News agency contacts the person in question to get details (like Gulf News most likely did here) would it be counted as primary or secondary source? --LostCitrationHunter (talk) 15:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Michael Caine[edit]

Michael Caine

Under 'Filmography' The film 'Jaws 4' Released in 1987, is not shown.-- (talk) 07:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC) (talk) 07:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please direct any comments about an article to its article talk page, in this case, Talk:Michael Caine. 331dot (talk) 08:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You need to look at the main article: Jaws: The Revenge is included in Michael_Caine_filmography.--Shantavira|feed me 08:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

About sources for Draft:Amrit Nataraj[edit]

My draft about a musician got rejected citing not adequately supported by reliable sources. Does this article not meet the special Wikipedia definition of notable musician? Do I need to provide more sources about the artist? CredenceMind (talk) 11:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! As per WP:NBIO, You are required to prove that they have received significant coverage in multiple published[1] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other. So far you have only presented one source so i suggest adding more of those. You must also look up the section on entertainers as well. Happy editing!--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]


  1. ^ What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.
CredenceMind, the article you cite above does not help to show that Amrit Nataraj is notable. Some paragraphs are about the khanjira, others report what Nataraj has said. It lacks the "independent discussion" of him that would be required to show notabiliry.   Maproom (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Interview citation / translation transcript for a wiki page[edit]

Hi! I'm writing my first wiki page and I'd like to cite an interview that was originally posted in French. There was a translated version from French into English posted as a word document and I was wondering how I should go about referencing this interview. Should I link the original interview and the translation together? Is there a way that I'd be able to do that? Kuugi (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Can you read French? If you can, then you needn't take the accuracy of the translation on trust, and you needn't cite it at all; instead, use and cite the original. If you can't, then various difficulties arise. Let's put them aside for a moment and consider other things. First, interviews have little use here. Most are of somebody, who talks about him- or herself. However, we're not interested in what people say about themselves. Secondly, you seem to have been editing here for a total of one day, and I don't notice any edits to existing articles. Attempting to start an article when you have so little experience is likely to be very difficult. -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Kuugi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree with what Hoary says. In addition, if you are considering referencing a transcript or translation, please make sure that it is not a copyright violation. On the more general question of editing as a new editor, please have a look at my reply to #Writing about bands: Draft:Master Dy earlier on this page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Request for an opinion on my new draft article[edit]

A new draft article namely, Draft:Dantak is pending review. This article is about a famous Indian overseas military unit in Bhutan. Please help me publish it. I feel it is publishable as it is well prepared, written neutrally with valid references. Else, please react to the article. Both positive and negative review are welcomed. Partha Basak 12:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

2006nishan178713 STATUS: Submitted to AfC (today!). There is a backlog of submitted drafts. The system is not a queue. Can be days, weeks, months before it is reviewed. Teahouse hosts advise, but are not reviewers. David notMD (talk) 13:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Article declined, I'm confused[edit]

Just added an article for a charity that I volunteer for welsh marine life rescue. I copied the flow of content of another charity article BDMLR, switching out details etc. I'm confused as to why the article has been rejected. I put hours into its creation, researching dates and refs online. Please can someone shed some light? Do I need to write more content based on my experience of animal rescues perhaps? Coasteering (talk) 16:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello Coasteering, thanks for wanting to help improve wikipedia. Have you checked your talk page here, as it does explain that the reviewer, Theroadislong, felt your submission read like an advert and may not have been written from a neutral perspective. If you copied the scope of prose from another article, that may also present problems when trying to prove that your topic is sufficiently notable for an article. It isn't enough simply for an organisation to exist. Probably the best place to discuss your query would be at the AfC Helpdesk. Bungle (talkcontribs) 16:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
See other poor quality articles exist, the article BDMLR is very poor indeed, with zero sources, I have tagged it accordingly, thank you for the heads up. Theroadislong (talk) 16:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks both Bungle Theroadislong. I guess the charity won't have a wiki article as I don't know what else to do with my submission, I thought there were enough legit references. It was written as neutral, third person etc. Maybe the charity itself isn't notable enough. There's no avoiding CoI as I don't know who else would take the time to write an article about the charity. An afternoon spent learning the ways of wikipedia, so not time wasted. Coasteering (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi Coasteering! Given that in an article on the Tenby Observer website dated 21 April this year (whose url the link system will not accept, for some reason) your spokesperson is quoted as stating "We are a tiny organisation . . .", this is probably just a case of WP:Too soon.
WP:Notability requires several (preferably 3 or more) Reliable sources, independent of the WMLR, to have published substantial material (i.e. several paragraphs'-worth) about the organisation. If the WMLR continues its work (generating press articles like that one and perhaps being described in official reports) and grows, this will likely come about, but Wikipedia has to maintain its thresholds of notability, and avoid promiting any subject, no matter how worthy, as promotion contravenes its fundamental policies. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Coasteering, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's worth pointing out that, even if at some point an article is written about your organisation, WMLR will not "have" a wiki article. If that comes about, Wikipedia will have an article about your organisation: it will not belong to your organisation, it will not be controlled by your organisation, it will not necessarily say what you would like it to say, and it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about your organisation (good or bad), not on what you say or want to say. --ColinFine (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Should I just start asking for concensus on my edits?[edit]

I know I've frequented here a number of times but I've been reverted so many times on Rotherham Minster, Doncaster and Essington. Should I seriously start asking for concensus on every single edit I make because there was issues with my Norwich collage, then on my photos of Rotherham Minster and now on Doncaster on a collage with lovely photos of the town and it's prominent landmarks.

I'm trying to contribute positively here but nearly all edits I make get reverted and I'm accused and seen by many as a bad editor and a rude inconsiderate and unable to help editor. Really I'm getting beyond annoyed with silly picky things always making me look bad and nothing positive. I've been told I'm not a positive editor before and a rude inconsiderate uneducated individual by some.

What more can I do when I try to improve or contribute I'm always shot down for being apparently inconsiderate and a problem with the wiki when I try to edit positively but some editors rather see me and my edits as a bad thing then a good thing. I nearly quit wiki for good because of this ongoing crusade I'm feeling. But talked myself back round and take on board advice.

I've adhered to it and listened but I'm still not doing good enough and other editors can take swipes at my work. If I do it back at theirs. I'm see engaging in Edit Warring.

Do I really need to be having a concensus on adding images collages editing leads or making positive contributions?

Believe me I'm sick of writing these on here but nothing seems to be changing despite me trying to. DragonofBatley (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

There we go @David Biddulph: has just told me DragonofBatley told @Esemgee: of edit warring when I hadn't. Thanks for the accusation. Getting really tired of this negativity towards me all the time. DragonofBatley (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
DragonofBatley, as a completely disinterested and uninvolved bystander, can I offer the suggestion that you read and practice the procedures of WP:BRD, and discuss disagreements on the relevant articles' Talk pages, or your and others' Usertalk pages, as appropriate rather than through the medium of Edit summaries? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Does this fit with the wikipedia style?[edit]

I found an article which was not arranged into sections, so I did my best to arrange it myself trying to follow the Manual of Style. Is the way I did so in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines? I mostly do basic maintenance edits(categorising, reverting obvious vandalism etc.), and I'm trying to learn to make bigger and more impactful edits without editing carelessly, any advice on how to do so would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.  DirkJandeGeer (talk) 17:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

DirkJandeGeer, I believe your edits have been a significant improvement. Thank you. Maproom (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Specification for linking specific pages from a PDF on commons[edit]

I want to use a specific page from a PDF of an old book on Wikimedia Commons as a citation for something. How would I go about linking the exact page? 2603:7000:E002:E90B:901D:F152:90C0:DFE3 (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Links are useful to have, but not essential. Have you already cited the other usual bibliographical details for the book (Items 3.5.1 to 3.5.5)? These are sufficient to be going on with, since even old books are usually accessible physically via libraries, etc., if one is prepared to go to the trouble.
I'm no .pdf-site expert, but no doubt others will be able to give you further advice on that score. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
In general you don't. A citation should have enough information to enable a reader (or a reviewer) to evaluate the likely reliably and relevance of the source, and then to find it if they wish to consult it. It does not have to be online, and a URL is in most cases a convenience, not an essential part of the citation. So your citation should principally be the author, title, publisher, publication date etc. If there is indeed a copy that has been uploaded to Commons, then you could simply add the wikilink (starting with a colon) eg [[:File:name of file]] on the end of the citation, but before the closing </ref>. I don't know why anybody should upload such a thing to Commons, though. If the text is really in the public domain, it might be better to add it to Wikisource. --ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hattie Gotobed page[edit]

 – added header --Maresa63 Talk 18:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I am trying to add young actress Hattie Gotobed to Wikipedia - she has been in many film and tv shows and mentioned on Wikipedia but not as a page - when doing the citations, as rejected once - how much info do you need - for example what do you put in name part at top? your name, Hattie's name? name of writer etc? then how much of the parts they have on there do you need to add info to - for example - if a news article - is th ename of the author, url of article published enough or? huge thanks Romeha3 (talk) 17:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Romeha3, when citing a news item, Name is for the author of the material you're citing, Title is for the title of the item you're citing, URL I see you already understand, and "Date" is for the date of publication. You should supply all these values if possible. And a citation should immediately follow the statement in whose support it is cited. I see that in Draft:Hattie Gotobed you have three citations following the text "The Colonel", which isn't even a statement. The purpose of citing your sources is to allow readers to check, for any statement, what source you learned it from. That's why citations should follow statement, and why they should include publication date etc.; without the date of a news item, no-one would be able to check it in a library. Maproom (talk) 19:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How do I replace an image with my own?[edit]

I have a picture of Super Cat that I took last night myself and I think it's pretty good. I'd like to replace the image on his article (where you can't even see him in the current picture). I do not know how to add my own photo to an article - can someone offer advice? Argles Barkley (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Argles Barkley, what you propose should be fairly easy. As you took the picture yourself, you can go to Wikimedia Commons and upload it there, specifying that you are the creator of the picture and specifying the copyright license under which you're willing to make it freely available. Then, where the article says "Super Cat @ Reggae Geel.jpg", you can substitute the corresponding filename of the picture you've uploaded. (I'm assuming that your image is better than the one now in the article - frankly, it can't be much worse.) Maproom (talk) 19:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Ha! Yes it's much better. I agree with your assessment of the current picture. Argles Barkley (talk) 19:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Maproom, I did it! What do you think? Argles Barkley (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, you've done it, it's worked, it's a big improvement. Congratulations and thanks! Maproom (talk) 20:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Much better, well done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Argles Barkley: Thanks for uploading a better image. Just a cautionary word though in that you might want to read c:COM:LRV and c:COM:L for refrence. Please understand that although you're not transferring your copyright ownership of the image to the Wikimedia Foundation or anyone else by uploading it to Commons, you are essentially giving advance permission to anyone anywhere in the world to download the file at any time and re-use it for any purpose (including ways that you might not approve of). As long as a reuser complies with the terms of the license you chose and attribute you as the copyright holder, they can pretty well do whatever they want with the photo as explained in c:COM:REUSE, and any problems that develop will be expected to be resolved between you and the reuser as explained in c:COM:ENFORCE. If you're OK with that (and I hope you are), then that's great for Wikipedia; if you're not OK with that, however, then that's understandable, but you need to act quickly if you want to have the image deleted from Commons. the longer you wait, the more difficult it will be to get the photo deleted. Please understand that I'm not try to be a downer and scare you away from uploading your own photos because Commons needs high quality images; just try and understand that the photos you upload might start showing up online on websites other than Wikipedia and be used in ways that might make others money but leave you uncompensated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]



I've now created five articles, and I've been notified that I now can just created them, without submitting them or anything, to draftspace or mainspace. Thing is, how do I get there? Through Article Wizard? How? Cerambycidfreak (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Cerambycidfreak, see WP:MOVE. If someone disagrees with you that the article should be in mainspace, they can move them back or nominate for deletion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Cerambycidfreak, if you're confident that you can create an acceptable article in one go, you can create it directly in mainspace by typing the name into the search bar, and it will give you a link you can pick to create the article directly. I don't recommend doing it this way unless you are very confident: better is to create it as a draft (the same way, but with Draft: on the front in the search bar) and then move it to mainspace when it is ready. --ColinFine (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You can also create a draft from here: Wikipedia:Drafts#Creating_and_editing_drafts. You get some useful coding included that way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Url related[edit]

Can I change the draft name? Can I change the URL after publishing content? Siddhartha Saikia (talk) 21:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Yes, you can retitle ("move") a draft. Yes, most users can retitle ("move") most articles. (And yes, a draft reviewer can "accept" a draft, turning it into an article with a different title.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]


Please give me an example of an acceptable "USER page" i/e the user page to qualify as an editor to submit a (different) wiki page. P. Graves Pengraves (talk) 02:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Pengraves: Welcome to Wikipedia. There is Wikipedia:User_pages which explains what may and may not go on your user page. If you are trying to write an article about yourself, that is discouraged. See WP:AUTO. If you mean something else, please clarify. RudolfRed (talk) 02:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Pengraves. A user page is entirely optional and is not a requirement to create any other page. If you choose to create a user page, it should describe your work and plans as a Wikipedia editor rather than focusing on things unrelated to your Wikipedia editing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

reviewing a page[edit]

Hello kind teahouse hosts. I have a page ready for review in my sandbox:

However somehow in my numerous edits I deleted the handy dialog box that allowed me to submit the document for editing/review. How then can I accomplish this? Pengraves (talk) 02:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Pengraves: Place {{subst:submit}} on the draft when you are ready for it be to reviewed. RudolfRed (talk) 02:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Deletion File:Pictures or Images uploaded[edit]

Hello, would you like to help me and say where I can go to delete some of the picture that I have uploaded to use in my Wikipedia Template page? I really don't want to share some of them, so I want to remove or delete these ones before it will be too late. Thank you. NruasPaoYPP (talk) 03:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

There's no need to go anywhere. You can simply add the template {{db-author}} to any file that you uploaded but that you think should be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 04:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:ChongBlia Yang[edit]

A tag has been placed on Template:ChongBlia Yang requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. NruasPaoYPP (talk) 03:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC) ==[]

Hello, please do not delete my "template:ChongBlia Yang". This is because I didn't know what I did is a "redirect". I apologized, because I still misunderstood between "linking to and redirect to" a page. Now I know that I cannot do like this, from now, I'll not do it again. I'll try to work on it, but as a new article. And then I'll try to see if I can find some resources and references to support it. Thank youNruasPaoYPP (talk) 03:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC) NruasPaoYPP (talk) 03:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@NruasPaoYPP: The place to post the object is Template_talk:ChongBlia_Yang. However, you are mentioning wanting to create an article, and the page to be deleted is a template. Those are not the same thing. If you want to create an article, follow the guidance at WP:YFA and you can create a draft article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 03:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I have deleted this redirect, NruasPaoYPP. I couldn't imagine how it benefitted the encyclopedia, and you failed to give any justification for it. Perhaps you intended ChongBlia Yang to redirect to Draft:ChongBlia Yang; but this would be unacceptable because article titles may not redirect to drafts. Draft:ChongBlia Yang is a chatty piece that does not look like an encyclopedia article (in part because it cites no references whatever); if you want it to become an article, I suggest that you do a lot more work on it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@NruasPaoYPP: The difference between a template and an article was explained to you at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1126#Problems to link a Template page to my article namepage.. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
NruasPaoYPP, are you saying that you'll try to work on the content of your draft (from what you already know to be true, from "common knowledge", etc), and that you'll then try to see if you can find some resources and references to support what you've written? If so, you've got the wrong idea. Forget what you already know to be true, "common knowledge", etc, and start with reliable, independent, published sources. Summarize what these say, in your own words (or, where the original wording seems irreplaceable, within quotation marks). Using <ref>     </ref>, clearly indicate which part comes from which reference. -- Hoary (talk) 08:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Does this look bad?[edit]

The "Species" section in this article to which I have linked, had a long list of beetles so I thougght I'll rather add columns-list. But now I feel it looks congested. Is it fine? Excellenc1 (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I don't notice any difference, Excellenc1. Or anyway none related to congestion. (I'm using Firefox 93.0 right now.) But since you bring up the matter of looking congested, I have to say that your signature strikes me as unusually awkward, spilling as it does over other letters. Removing padding:5px; from it would be a big help. -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]


Padding Signature
no padding Excellenc1 (talk)
1px Excellenc1 (talk)
2px Excellenc1 (talk)
3px Excellenc1 (talk)
4px Excellenc1 (talk)
5px Excellenc1 (talk)

No padding looks the worst. Excellenc1 (talk) 06:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Then we differ, Excellenc1. To me, using either Firefox 93.0 or Chromium 90.0.4430.212, no padding looks the best. The more padding, the more shouty. (Worse, the more padding, the more interference with other text.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Need some help with a complicated matter (reinstating a previously deleted page)[edit]

Hi. Recently the article Stuart Scheller has been deleted. I believe the deletion was premature and the subject has attracted significant attention since the deletion (if you live in the US, you know who i am talking about) making him notable per WP:BIO. My idea was to reinstate the article (per WP:BOLD , please dont attack me for doing that) and then start another deletion discussion. The problem is, when I added the deletion tempalte per the guideline I found a problem in that the deletion discussion page already exists (from the previous discussion), so I cant start a new discussion where I could provide my arguments why the article should be reinstated. Could someone help me? What should be the corret procedure if I strongly feel the subject matter of the article is notable now, even if it was not when the article was deleted? Many thanks in advance. --Daikido (talk) 08:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Daikido (talk) 08:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Daikido: I'm afraid restoring the article like you did was not the ideal first step to take; the deletion discussion closed three weeks ago, with a clear consensus to merge Stuart Scheller into another article. Since then, a few attempts have been made to revert the merge and re-create an article, and it was even protected to stop that from happening. The protection expired yesterday. WP:BOLD is a good guideline, but when there is an existing consensus from a recent discussion, making bold edits that go against the consensus is not a good idea. That is especially true when the article has very recently been protected against that type of edit.
A couple of weeks ago when you tried to create a new AfD discussion, the editor who reverted your edit mentioned WP:AFDHOWTO, which explains how to create a new AfD discussion about an article that has been discussed in AfD before. Doing so at this point might be seen as disruptive, though, especially since there was a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 10#Stuart Scheller, which closed less than a week ago and concluded that Scheller isn't independently notable.
If you believe that significant new information has appeared since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stuart Scheller closed, Deletion Review is the place to start a discussion, but take a moment to read this information first. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you for your reply. I genuinely didn't know the article had been protected (please do not assume I did it today just because the protection inspired today, I was planning on restoring it for about a week), I also didn't really check the article history for that matter either. Given the new information in your second paragraph (about the redirects for discussion), I will now revert my previous edit on the article. I've already started a new discussion on the talk page of the article as well, given the situation, what would be the best case to discuss this? On the talk page of Stuart Scheller's article or would the Deletion Review be the better place to do so? In your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daikido (talkcontribs) 09:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Two questions[edit]


Hope you're well? Just a couple of questions. I was advised previously to ask questions (about potential tag removal) in the Talk section of a page. But, several weeks on, these seem to be unanswered. Is there an alert or something that I'm not aware of? Sorry, if so.

Also, is there a list of articles that need review? And, if so, how do I get to it? I've been using Random Article, but most of the ones it sends me to are good? So, it's pretty slow going.

Anyway, hope you're well?

Take care,

Edward BorleyBoy (talk) 11:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

BorleyBoy If you have no association with the subject of the article, and you feel that the issues raised by the tags have either been addressed, are no longer applicable, or the tags were invalid in the first place, you may remove the tags. You can mark talk page posts as a formal edit request(click for instructions) if you are proposing a specific change to the article(such as removing a tag). 331dot (talk) 12:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank you! That's very helpful. I'll start with the edit request. Not sure I'm ready for removing them myself! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BorleyBoy (talkcontribs) 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]